General Coach Candidate News

[CSP]

13 minutes ago, Southside said:

What exactly, aside from rumors and assumption, did Sampson do. Had some bad kids? Happens at all places. Some kids smoked weed? happens at a lot of places. Let me tell you, RMK had some of those kinds of kids too. You just didn't hear about it.

Shew

[IU Scott]

14 minutes ago, raorIU said:

A product that was great in the 80s, but tired these days

I hope this is a joke because this junk you call offense in 2021 was not what we saw in the 80's  All of this clearing out and standing around waiting for you guy to go one on one is not what basketball was meant to be.  Shooting is horrible today and teams can barely score over 70 on a good day.  I assume you never seen a game from the 80's to see what an offense is supposed to be like.

[Southside]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

RMK suspended them or kicked them off the team... Sampson looked the other way...

Nah. I was around players in the late 80s. You wouldn't believe some of the crap that went on. And don't think coaches know everything that is going on. RMK didn't know half the stuff. In Sampson's case, Gordon himself said Sampson intervened and tried to stop things. I get it, you have this lofty image of how things are. It's not reality. There's a lot of grey. Could he have done more, maybe. Fact is, we don't know what went on. We don't know what he knew. We all have just a few facts, and have made our own assumptions.

[Hoosierfan2017]

Looks like some of the blogger boys might be off the Moser train. Better late than never. You don’t hand a guy with 2 tournaments in 17 years a blue blood job. 

[DChoosier]

17 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Didn't hear about it? Are you suggesting a cover up? There were several public reports ... Great Alaska Shootout if I remember right...

RMK suspended them or kicked them off the team... Sampson looked the other way...

I was at IU when that happened and many of us sort of chuckled when we saw the names of the 3 players that got tossed vs the 5 that were put on Knight suspension.  
If you saw the stats of the 8 players involved it would be easy to pick out, without seeing the names, the 3 that got booted.

On the other hand it sounds as though many of the Sampson players did not go to class often. Knight absolutely did not tolerate that.  

[Demo]

Well, Baylor just scored 23 points in a half and are down 7 to a team missing their best player. Oh, and shot 2-12 from 3. .

So, we’re done with Scott Drew now, right?

[IU Scott]

Just now, Demo said:

Well, Baylor just scored 23 points in a half and are down 7 to a team missing their best player. Oh, and shot 2-12 from 3. .

So, we’re done with Scott Drew now, right?

Well it will be hard to find very many coaches in the college game that has really good offenses

[str8baller]

1 minute ago, Demo said:

Well, Baylor just scored 23 points in a half and are down 7 to a team missing their best player. Oh, and shot 2-12 from 3. .

So, we’re done with Scott Drew now, right?

Some of us were never “in” on him. He’s recruited the most athletic team in the tourney. Don’t think much of him as an xs and os coach, though. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, Demo said:

Well, Baylor just scored 23 points in a half and are down 7 to a team missing their best player. Oh, and shot 2-12 from 3. .

So, we’re done with Scott Drew now, right?

Sure, if this was Drew’s second tournament appearance in 17 years as a head coach. But it’s not. Drew turned a football school with no basketball history into a great P5 program. Loyola Chicago had more tournament appearances when Moser took over than Baylor did when Drew took over. The sole reason why Moser was ever even mentioned as a head coach was his two tournament appearances. When that’s all you have on your resume to point to, a bad loss like the one Moser just had is going to get more a lot more attention. 

[Demo]

Just now, str8baller said:

Some of us were never “in” on him. He’s recruited the most athletic team in the tourney. Don’t think much of him as an xs and os coach, though. 

Yeah, me neither. And I probably should have put this in the Moser thread given that I’m just poking people’s cataclysmic overreaction over there.

[Southside]

34 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Didn't hear about it? Are you suggesting a cover up? There were several public reports ... Great Alaska Shootout if I remember right...

RMK suspended them or kicked them off the team... Sampson looked the other way...

Huh? 

So tell me. What exactly happened? Got a link to these public reports? (talking about Sampson issues)

On Knight. I went to IU in the late 80s, and partied with players for about 2 years straight. Not BFFs with them or anything, but they were around. One of my buddies had players at his apartment almost every weekend, and my old RA was in tight with some of the older players and we hung at Killroys regularly. My freshman year, several were written up for drinking in the dorms. One for being in a room with a funny smell lol. Never got out. My soph year, several were ticketed at WKs and VVs for underaged drinking. Never got out. I remember 2 players jumping off the deck at VVs with a pony keg at L5 when the partied got raided. One of the players was very well known for beer bonging weekly at WKs. Weed was all around in those days. Not all players were weed smokers and big drinkers, but several were. I don't recall any getting suspended. I'm sure Knight ran their legs off or sat them at times if it got back to him, but there was never a huge public stink.

[Trish]

Drew isn’t looking so good. 
 

Good news. Let’s not hire him. 

[MemphisHoosier]

Best Goodman Sweet 16 caption... Go!

[Magisterium]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

The buyout was to get rid of Archie before the boosters, game revenue, and general fan interest cratered.

May not be as much to do with the hire is as you think.

but that doesn't really explain Dolson's allusion to a 2nd donor who was willing to help with "transition costs" unless SD had reason to think he'd probably be dealing with a 2nd buyout attached to whatever new coach he'd be likely to hire--if it was just "get Archie gone at all costs" then I'd think the one donor would've been enough

[CSP]

27 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

I hope this is a joke because this junk you call offense in 2021 was not what we saw in the 80's  All of this clearing out and standing around waiting for you guy to go one on one is not what basketball was meant to be.  Shooting is horrible today and teams can barely score over 70 on a good day.  I assume you never seen a game from the 80's to see what an offense is supposed to be like.

Lol shooting is horrible today? What? 

[IU Scott]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

Lol shooting is horrible today? What? 

In college basketball it is horrible

[Zachetology]

2 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Best Goodman Sweet 16 caption... Go!

One thing is salty and full of fat. The other is a bucket of popcorn. 

[Magisterium]

1 hour ago, Vauxhall and IU said:

Early in the week we were saying how this coaching search had entered "silly season" because Woodson's name had started popping up.

It's now Saturday and we're having academic debates on whether it's wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family. 

I trust the process and all, but I'm kinda starting to think we need to hire a coach sometime soon. Before we're all led away in straitjackets.

as long as they're candy-striped straitjackets......

[Magisterium]

1 hour ago, HoosierTrav said:

I made a comment at the beginning of the game, that Loyola’s defense was elite..... I’m not sure I can sit through that abortion of an offense though. That was a nightmare to watch. Reminded me too much of the last 4 years. Hard pass. 

Titus made an interesting point: in the Sweet 16 there are (now were) 7 teams in KenPom's top 25 defenses and 11 in KenPom's top 25 offenses--and that doesn't include Alabama, which is somehow outside the top 25 offenses statistically speaking

possible moral: much like college football, college basketball is currently in something of an "offense > defense" era

[OKHOOSIER]

Finally got caught up here, and wow did the thread take an interesting turn. I will never understand why a portion of the fan base is so incredibly obsessed with being squeaky clean. There is no such thing in college athletics. Whether it is softer admission standards to out right bag dropping, it is pervasive and everywhere. IU (Brand) caused our own cratering by following this misguided attachment to doing the right thing. We tell the NCAA to kick rocks, lawyer up and say nothing, and the program is never decimated because of KS making a couple too many phone calls. UNC is a perfect example, they clam shelled, told the NCAA to pound sand and low and behold they are still a premier program, for something far more egregious. Anyone who says they would have traded the potential success KS would have had here for the first three Crean years, and really all the years since "to do the right thing" is either lying, or living in a fantasy world that ignores what the NCAA is/cares about-- profit. Also, if you really want to believe that in 30 years of coaching RMK committed no violations beyond being verbally and physically abusive to players, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell. Can you imagine Ralph Floyd going to RMK at the height of his power and saying "Coach we have to self report a violation you committed."? He would have been shouted out of the building and had his life threatened. Or maybe I have no morals and care too much about winning, but all this hand wringing about potential hires' pasts just rings hollow to me.