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[str8baller]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

He's not? Texter. Phone caller. Drug dealer enabler. Pimp enabler. Some of his players were THUGS in the true sense of the word, and the kids did not attend class... what a great guy to be charged with developing young men to be productive members of society.

You’ve hit the big issue with his time at IU. I didn’t follow him at Oklahoma and do not now. So the question is: is that how he normally operates or was he cutting corners to try and get IU “back” immediately. A couple of those guys were juco transfers. 
 

It seems funny to think about now, but there was a real sense of urgency back then. The last few years of Knight weren’t great and Davis seemed like an unmitigated disaster at the end. It’d been about a decade since Indiana was a real tourney threat and we expect Sampson to return us to glory...like yesterday!

 

Funny (as in sad) to think back to those days now. 

[Southside]

7 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

He's not? Texter. Phone caller. Drug dealer enabler. Pimp enabler. Some of his players were THUGS in the true sense of the word, and the kids did not attend class... what a great guy to be charged with developing young men to be productive members of society.

God should have struck him down for all those impermissible texts and calls.

 

 

[AZ Hoosier]

Just now, str8baller said:

You’ve hit the big issue with his time at IU. I didn’t follow him at Oklahoma and do not now. So the question is: is that how he normally operates or was he cutting corners to try and get IU “back” immediately. A couple of those guys were juco transfers. 
 

It seems funny to think about now, but there was a real sense of urgency back then. The last few years of Knight weren’t great and Davis seemed like an unmitigated disaster at the end. It’d been about a decade since Indiana was a real tourney threat and we expect Sampson to return us to glory...like yesterday!

 

Funny (as in sad) to think back to those days now. 

I have no idea... I didn't follow him at Oklahoma (or before) either... I know he took his team to the FF in 2002.. we beat them to get a shot at Maryland... 

[AZ Hoosier]

3 minutes ago, Southside said:

God should have struck him down for all those impermissible texts and calls.

The texts and calls were wrong (e.g., rules violations)... but can you seriously tell me that you're ok with the rest of it?

If I have a vote, Sampson will NEVER be welcome at IU again. But, alas, I don't really have a voice in the matter...

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Agreed with the above.
It's called character. If it's ok to cheat in one aspect of your life-say as a coach or player to "get what you want" that to me makes it awful damn easy to do it in other aspects-  to a girlfriend, a wife, etc.  Though RMK had character flaws, the fact that he abhorred cheating and held kids to higher standards showed he was a teacher first. He cared about the kid's future. I was watching his Hall of Fame acceptance speech last night and he said the thing that made him proudest as a coach was the kind of people his former players-many in leadership roles- turned out to be. As a teacher, that's what you want.  Call me naive, old-fashioned, whatever.
Many fans IMO are most concerned with "bragging rights"- our school is better than your school, etc. I have been a fan since the early 80's and like many on here, I long for a return to glory. And perhaps, Crean operated in the gray area; but to my knowledge that has never come out. For me,  if IU has to "play the game" to be like Kentucky; then I will find something else to do with my winter afternoons/evenings.
For the glory...

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[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, IU Scott said:

So what is the definition of a gray area.  You are either cheating or you are not/  You can't be slightly pregnant.

Exactly. Wtf is the grey area?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Cuban

Where did you hear that?
Cuban said in an interview a few weeks he wasn't getting involved

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[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Exactly. Wtf is the grey area?

Romeo.

vs a Will Wade “strong-@$$ offer.”

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, tortex28 said:

 

 

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I actually believe that.  It’s the kind of dude he is. Probably very happy.  

[FightFor6]

The coaches still in the tourney are why I am not worried a bit about this search. I'm going to continue to anchor on the idea that Dolson was being completely transparent in his press conference. That means we are targeting candidates that will move the program moving into the future and be attractive to recruits. With this in mind, 3 of your best candidates are still coaching. Take a hard run at each of Drew, Musselman, and Oats and take the first one that bites. Any of them would be successful in my opinion.

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[Kentuckysucks]

5 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Exactly. Wtf is the grey area?

Yeah grey area.  No sacks of cash or houses.  No hookers. No drug use.  But anything else...

[raorIU]

51 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said:

So what did Archie pitch on Shark Tank?

A product that was great in the 80s, but tired these days

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

He's not? Texter. Phone caller. Drug dealer enabler. Pimp enabler. Some of his players were THUGS in the true sense of the word, and the kids did not attend class... what a great guy to be charged with developing young men to be productive members of society.

All just to win a few ball games

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[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, BGleas said:

I'll give you an example. We've all heard how it's really difficult for IU to get grad transfers in, right? I don't know how accurate that is, but let's assume its accurate for discussions sake. 

Stay with me here. I wasn't the best student in high school. Mostly just lack of focus and caring. So when I was being recruited for basketball, some schools had to pass because of my GPA. 

The school I ended up going to had me hold off on applying to school until the coach mailed me an application. The application he sent me was stamped at the top with a special "Basketball Office" stamp so the admissions people would know i was a scholarship recruit that our coach wanted to be admitted. Not every player got that application. 

Obviously I didn't play at IU's level, but I'd consider that the Division 2 version of the gray area. 

So let's assume the IU grad transfer difficulty rumor is true. No IU basketball coach should ever have to worry about that if he wants a player. 

Same thing happened to me at a very high academic d3 school.  No way I would have made it thru that school.  But yes, many academic schools, Mich, Duke, etc have lenient admission requirements. It’s on reason Northwestern struggles, they refuse to do it although Fitzgerald has gotten them to bend.  

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Yeah grey area.  No sacks of cash or houses.  No hookers. No drug use.  But anything else...

So, what if agents and shoe companies are taking care of things and “coaches don’t know the specifics”?  
 

Noah Vonleh, Thomas Bryant, Romeo Langford sure seem very likely to be in this category.  If we won with them everyone would be jumping for joy. 

[Southside]

7 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The texts and calls were wrong (e.g., rules violations)... but can you seriously tell me that you're ok with the rest of it?

If I have a vote, Sampson will NEVER be welcome at IU again. But, alas, I don't really have a voice in the matter...

What exactly, aside from rumors and assumption, did Sampson do. Had some bad kids? Happens at all places. Some kids smoked weed? happens at a lot of places. Let me tell you, RMK had some of those kinds of kids too. You just didn't hear about it.

[Kentuckysucks]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

So, what if agents and shoe companies are taking care of things and “coaches don’t know the specifics”?  
 

Noah Vonleh, Thomas Bryant, Romeo Langford sure seem very likely to be in this category.  If we won with them everyone would be jumping for joy. 

Just friends of the program. 

[AZ Hoosier]

5 minutes ago, Southside said:

What exactly, aside from rumors and assumption, did Sampson do. Had some bad kids? Happens at all places. Some kids smoked weed? happens at a lot of places. Let me tell you, RMK had some of those kinds of kids too. You just didn't hear about it.

Didn't hear about it? Are you suggesting a cover up? There were several public reports ... Great Alaska Shootout if I remember right...

RMK suspended them or kicked them off the team... Sampson looked the other way...

[T White]

3 minutes ago, Southside said:

 Let me tell you, RMK had some of those kinds of kids too. You just didn't hear about it.

Sure we heard about it. Remember the famous trip to Alaska for that tourney? Three kids got the boot over that.

[str8baller]

5 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

RMK suspended them or kicked them off the team... Sampson looked the other way...

I’m not comparing Sampson and Knight because i do not believe they’re similar. Knight would discipline the hell out of shithead and then kick them off if he had to. But he absolutely had guys who partied and did drugs. But that’s not my standard of conduct, because the “normal college stuff” just goes undetected 99% of the time unless it becomes a real problem.