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[Hoosierfan2017 21,299]

1 minute ago, IU Scott said:

He went to the championship game

With Bob Knight's players. He's made it past the first round of the tournament twice in 19 years since then. If we want to hire an IU guy then let's just rehire Bob Knight and see what he can do in his less than ideal health. 

There is no Krabby patty secret formula given only to former IU players that the next coach must have to succeed here. IU won in the past because IU had the best coach in college basketball. That is the formula IU should try to get as close to as possible. I don't think there is an IU guy out there who can do that. 

[Trish 11,548]

3 minutes ago, DLG3 said:

I’m as ready to freak out as anyone, but we should probably realize that had Archie been retained, we’d likely be looking at a lot of turnover, no matter what. This one time transfer rule will entice a ton of players.


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Ehh. I think Frank and Race would've stayed. We could be chasing the transfer market right now ourselves as their as some nice players out there. 

The Northeastern kid is deciding this weekend. Waiting too long and we might have a JV team out there next season!

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15 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I think you answered your own question with facts.

In his 6th season as a head coach, he won 64% of his games.

So based on that, after 6 years on the job, we have a 20-11 record to look forward to.  We'll be right back where we started in a few years if that's what we can expect.

Oh, he made the playoffs in the NBA?  Over half of the teams in the NBA make the playoffs.  You are literally more likely than not to make the playoffs in today's NBA.

He's also 63 years old.  Aside from a few diehard fans on this board, no one even knows who he is.  I'm 35 and I've been an IU fan all my life, and I couldn't tell you what IU team he played on or what he accomplished.

And if I can't, no way in hell a current in-state high school recruit can.  That is a huge built-in disadvantage.

If he went to Penn State, Virginia, or literally ANYWHERE else, no one would give him the slightest bit of consideration.

This is getting out of hand.  I'm seriously disturbed by the number of people getting on board with the potential of hiring Woodson.

That is just nonsense logic. In 2018-19, the last regular NCAA season 17 of the top 25 had .800 or better winning percentages, NBA teams...0. Comparing theNCAA to NBA numbers on any level is just stupid.

Brad Stevens career winning percentage in the NBA?  .564    Why did we want that bum leading IU to 17-13 every year? Dodged a bullet there.

Just look at the numbers before and after he was with both teams.  He was the high water mark for both of those teams with the core rosters he had.

And you have it backwards, if he had gone to Penn St or UVA, he wouldn't be interested in this recent sinkhole of a college coaching job, the whole reason an accomplished NBA coach is even interested in the job is his ties and love of the university.

And again, who gives a isht about his recognizability as a former IU player. If you don't think him walking in a recruits home and mentioning how he reminds him of his former players Carmelo Anthony, Blake Griffin or Chris Paul your delusional.

I am not arguing he is the grand prize, but he also isn't the flaming bag of cr@p some of you are making him out to be.

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Just now, Evariste Galois said:

Musselman's NBA experience is significantly less impressive than Woodson's. 

I would be very excited about Beard (and even Musselman for that matter - or Oats - I think we have a great list of "hypothetical" candidates.) But let's be honest, if he did not have the RMK connection, there would not be any talk about him coming to IU either. 

My only point, is that I definitely could see why Dolson might decide that Woodson is the best option out of all them. 

Yes, and would you hire Musselman based off his NBA experience alone? Or would you look at the success he has had at the NCAA level?

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32 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Watching Archie lead a team to a NCAA game before Woodson will be even better. I won't lie about that. 

Has Archie even gotten a sniff from any other teams? 

[IU Scott 2,375]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

With Bob Knight's players. He's made it past the first round of the tournament twice in 19 years since then. If we want to hire an IU guy then let's just rehire Bob Knight and see what he can do in his less than ideal health. 

There is no Krabby patty secret formula given only to former IU players that the next coach must have to succeed here. IU won in the past because IU had the best coach in college basketball. That is the formula IU should try to get as close to as possible. I don't think there is an IU guy out there who can do that. 

Well Oats is winning with other coaches players for the most part

[Trish 11,548]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Has Archie even gotten a sniff from any other teams? 

He's taking the year off and waiting for Pittsburgh to open up next year.

Have to collect the IU check's before he accepts a lower paycheck next year. 

[Unexpectedflash 1,065]

4 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Well Oats is winning with other coaches players for the most part

No he's not. Petty and Jones were from the last coach. All the other key players are transfers or recruits from last year for the most part. Oats is going to be a star. I would just love it to be with us. 

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4 minutes ago, Evariste Galois said:

Musselman's NBA experience is significantly less impressive than Woodson's. 

I would be very excited about Beard (and even Musselman for that matter - or Oats - I think we have a great list of "hypothetical" candidates.) But let's be honest, if he did not have the RMK connection, there would not be any talk about him coming to IU either. 

My only point, is that I definitely could see why Dolson might decide that Woodson is the best option out of all them. 

I was also including Musselman's NCAA coaching as well as NBA.

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3 minutes ago, brandct said:

Yes, and would you hire Musselman based off his NBA experience alone? Or would you look at the success he has had at the NCAA level?

Musselman was 20-12 last year at Arkansas which was Archie's record last year.  So we are talking about Musselman over one great year at a power 5 conference.

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Just now, Treesh said:

Ehh. I think Frank and Race would've stayed. We could be chasing the transfer market right now ourselves as their as some nice players out there. 

The Northeastern kid is deciding this weekend. Waiting too long and we might have a JV team out there next season!

Ala

Kyle Taber,, Danny Moore, Tom "THE BANGER" Pritchard, Verdell Jones, Matt Roth, Brett Finklemeier, Jeremiah Rivers, Nick Williams, Devan "incarcerated" Dumas, Malik Story, TIJAN JOBE

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7 minutes ago, brandct said:

A guy that has actually produced at the NCAA level is less of a "flavor of the month" then someone who has never coached in the NCAA.

If it is only recent, then that is literally the definition of "flavor of the month". 

Edit: To be clear, I am not knocking Musselman. I also think he could be a great hire.

[Trish 11,548]

Just now, bleedhoosier said:

Ala

Kyle Taber,, Danny Moore, Tom "THE BANGER" Pritchard, Verdell Jones, Matt Roth, Brett Finklemeier, Jeremiah Rivers, Nick Williams, Devan "incarcerated" Dumas, Malik Story, TIJAN JOBE

How the hell do you remember that entire roster LOL

 

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3 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Well Oats is winning with other coaches players for the most part

Since you keep saying this I decided to actually do research. There are 3 carry overs from when he was not coach and one of them is averaging less than 1 point a game. So yeah he is winning with other coaches players......

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Just now, Treesh said:

How the hell do you remember that entire roster LOL

 

You never forget the darkest moment of your life..

[brandct 610]

2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Musselman was 20-12 last year at Arkansas which was Archie's record last year.  So we are talking about Musselman over one great year at a power 5 conference.

20-12 in his FIRST year at a school not his third year.... He is also in the sweet 16 in his second year not sitting at home like we was. Great comparisons keep them coming.

[AZ Hoosier 6,996]

24 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Common sense. We're adding fuel to the fire with all these coaching rumors. 

Better programs and coaches will reach out and snag these guys. Meanwhile we're coachless while big transfers wonder elsewhere. 

So what's your solution, Obi Wan? You want to re-hire Archie? Let the process run it's course... and stop being such a fatalist...

[Unexpectedflash 1,065]

Oats is where the game of basketball is heading. I know lots of old schoolers want the Bobby Knight motion offense again but that's just not what basketball is anymore. Oats is one of the most innovative coaches in college basketball. I want him badly. 

[Capt. Crimson 3,429]

Just now, Unexpectedflash said:

Oats is where the game of basketball is heading. I know lots of old schoolers want the Bobby Knight motion offense again but that's just not what the game of basketball is anymore. Oats is one of the most innovative coaches in college basketball. I want him badly. 

He's happy at Alabama. He already crossed himself off the list.

 

[IU Scott 2,375]

Just now, Capt. Crimson said:

He's happy at Alabama. He already crossed himself off the list.

 

With a huge buyout as well