General Coach Candidate News

[TheWatShot]

Pretend that Alford never played here. Now, someone convince me why his resumé is good enough. 

[Feathery]

2 hours ago, Magisterium said:

yes, the buyout is (approx.) $10 million after April 1st but, perhaps more importantly, it's only about $3.5 million after April 1st of 2022, which is why I suspect AM is in no danger currently. Even if he somehow misses the tournament again.

If he does, however, I would assume both he and Dolson realistically regard next season as make-or-break. Which IMO they should.

Yup. I understand the money aspect.  Which would mean IU cares more about money than winning. Dolson needs to go fundraising if the team continues to struggle. Because nothing in 3.5 years indicates that Archie will make IU a top 4 conference team. If Archie gets us in the NCAA’s this year, by all means go to next season as the make or break. But there will be plenty of work to be done as TJD is likely gone. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

5 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Pretend that Alford never played here. Now, someone convince me why his resumé is good enough. 

He does have as many Sweet 16s as Indiana does the last 25 years... He did somehow make New Mexico really good in a time the Mountain was actually really good. What he did at UCLA would have given him an auto 15 years. 

[Trish]

One thing to consider is COVID and the amount of money IU Athletics has lost this year and last year alone. 
 

Let’s be honest, if we’re going to fire him it’s going to be when his buy out his 50% cheaper. Will Archie and his agent agree to leave money on the table? No lol. 
 

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Just now, Treesh said:

One thing to consider is COVID and the amount of money IU Athletics has lost this year and last year alone. 
 

Let’s be honest, if we’re going to fire him it’s going to be when his buy out his 50% cheaper. Will Archie and his agent agree to leave money on the table? No lol. 
 

 

Why? Indiana has the donors to make it not matter. Just gotta ask. Mark Cuban could pay it himself. Not sure if Cook donates anymore, but I'd be getting Carl Cook on the phone pretty quick too. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

I agree. I think talking heads like to say IU fans have too high of expectations but that is so far from true. If crean simply made the tourney every year and a sweet 16 every 3 years abs never further, he would still be here. It was the NIT and CBI stuff that killed him

Call me crazy, but I don’t think IU should have any different expectations in basketball than UK, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc.... We are just so far (time-wise) from being at that level that it’s become harder to imagine. There isn’t anything off the court (facilities, fan base passion, proximity to high level recruits, tv revenue and exposure, etc) preventing us from being that level of a program. 
 

This would be Crean’s 13th year? Had he consistently made the tournament and we were making a sweet 16 appearance every 3rd year, I agree he would still be here. But make no mistake, we’d be quite restless about him not being the right guy to take us to the next step. Not sure he’d be fired yet, but a significant portion of the fan base would be (rightfully in my opinion) questioning if we want sweet 16s or do we want banners. 

[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

He does have as many Sweet 16s as Indiana does the last 25 years... He did somehow make New Mexico really good in a time the Mountain was actually really good. What he did at UCLA would have given him an auto 15 years. 

But what Indiana has done the last 25 years has been considered not good enough. So basically he’s not good enough. Better than Archie yea. But good enough. Nah 

[8bucks]

6 minutes ago, Treesh said:

One thing to consider is COVID and the amount of money IU Athletics has lost this year and last year alone. 
 

Let’s be honest, if we’re going to fire him it’s going to be when his buy out his 50% cheaper. Will Archie and his agent agree to leave money on the table? No lol. 
 

 

Fair plus what might we still have to do for the football program to sustain success. 

[MemphisHoosier]

For fun, here are my tiers for the next 12-18 months:

Low-Likelihood, Home Run Hires

1) Chris Beard

2) Billy Donovan (super-low likelihood)

'Most Likely', Solid Category

1) Nate Oats

2) Mike White

3) Eric Musselman

4) Steve Prohm (on the fence here)

Short Term, Turn-Around

1) Thad Matta 

 

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, MemphisHoosier said:

For fun, here are my tiers for the next 12-18 months:

Low-Likelihood, Home Run Hires

1) Chris Beard

2) Billy Donovan (super-low likelihood)

'Most Likely', Solid Category

1) Nate Oats

2) Mike White

3) Eric Musselman

4) Steve Prohm (on the fence here)

Short Term, Turn-Around

1) Thad Matta 

 

I don’t think Thad has to be short term. Could easily 10+ years hiring his own successor. 

[Jeff_Boy_Ardee]

Why? Indiana has the donors to make it not matter. Just gotta ask. Mark Cuban could pay it himself. Not sure if Cook donates anymore, but I'd be getting Carl Cook on the phone pretty quick too. 

I find it amusing when people use the argument why wouldn’t we let’s just use person Xs money to fire someone.


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[TheWatShot]

17 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

He does have as many Sweet 16s as Indiana does the last 25 years... He did somehow make New Mexico really good in a time the Mountain was actually really good. What he did at UCLA would have given him an auto 15 years. 

Yeah...not really doing it for me. Good try, Skip. 

[MemphisHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I don’t think Thad has to be short term. Could easily 10+ years hiring his own successor. 

That's fair, I could 100% see that happening in the right situation.  Thad has tremendous midwest connections in the HS & grassroots scenes as well.

[NOLA Hoosier]

Plus let’s be honest: Thad is as close to Gene Hackman as Norman Dale we are gonna get.

It’s actually perfect. 

[tomallenfan]

I have become numb to IU basketball over the past few years. That is the biggest insult to the program that I can give as a lifelong fan.

Hiring Alford won’t help me personally become more interested. A revitalized interest may not come easy for me, and will take time, but not with Alford or Archie (unless things drastically change very soon).


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

That's fair, I could 100% see that happening in the right situation.  Thad has tremendous midwest connections in the HS & grassroots scenes as well.

It didn’t take him 4 years to get going at OSU so that’s something nice also 

[MikeRoberts]

12 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Call me crazy, but I don’t think IU should have any different expectations in basketball than UK, Kansas, Duke, UNC, etc.... We are just so far (time-wise) from being at that level that it’s become harder to imagine. There isn’t anything off the court (facilities, fan base passion, proximity to high level recruits, tv revenue and exposure, etc) preventing us from being that level of a program. 
 

This would be Crean’s 13th year? Had he consistently made the tournament and we were making a sweet 16 appearance every 3rd year, I agree he would still be here. But make no mistake, we’d be quite restless about him not being the right guy to take us to the next step. Not sure he’d be fired yet, but a significant portion of the fan base would be (rightfully in my opinion) questioning if we want sweet 16s or do we want banners. 

I agree, I think you were mostly in agreement with me too. Crean would still be here if he was making the tourney every year and a sweet 16 every third year. Some fans would be getting restless we hadn’t surpassed the sweet 16 but if we are making the tourney every year and winning a few games in the tourney every other year it would keep people interested, tuned in, caring. 

[LamarCheeks]

10 minutes ago, NOLA Hoosier said:

Plus let’s be honest: Thad is as close to Gene Hackman as Norman Dale we are gonna get.

It’s actually perfect. 

Hmmmm ... 

[NashvilleHoosier]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

I agree, I think you were mostly in agreement with me too. Crean would still be here if he was making the tourney every year and a sweet 16 every third year. Some fans would be getting restless we hadn’t surpassed the sweet 16 but if we are making the tourney every year and winning a few games in the tourney every other year it would keep people interested, tuned in, caring. 

Right. And logically, a tourney team every year who makes it to the sweet 16 every 3rd will consistently be a top 25 team, many times a top 10 team, and would be recruiting well. Knowing where we are now....holy cow if we had that for the last 13 years and we were on here complaining (I’m putting myself squarely in the camp who would have serious questions)...I’d take that blissful ignorance every day of the week right now. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I don't think Mike White is that good of a choice. He's had one good year at Florida. Hes finished 9-9, 14-4, 11-7, 9-9, 11-7 and is 3-3 right now in the SEC. He seems like another Archie.