General Coach Candidate News

[DChoosier 9,322]

8 minutes ago, GloryDays said:

We're a historical blue blood not a relevant or current one and yes we've sank that far. 30 years of middling success will do that.

The only people who don't see it is us. I for one would be more than happy with McCollum.

Yep,

Although we have more money and fan support than most schools the reality is that IU has been to one Elite 8 in 30 friggin years. 

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8 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

If it is McCollum can we all get together and agree to not refer to him as BM….

He'd be ICBM, coming at you like a nuclear missile.

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11 minutes ago, DougJr74 said:

I think Brad Stevens has been the smokescreen the whole time.

This would be the worst idea of all time. Hey let’s get people to think that the coach they want most is coming, and then it not be him. That’ll go over well. 

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9 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

If it is McCollum can we all get together and agree to not refer to him as BM….

Absolutely not - that may be my favorite thing about this possibility (I do think he'll do well but I'm a 12 year old at heart)

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12 minutes ago, DougJr74 said:

I think Brad Stevens has been the smokescreen the whole time.

 

1 minute ago, IU05 said:

This would be the worst idea of all time. Hey let’s get people to think that the coach they want most is coming, and then it not be him. That’ll go over well. 

Agreed. From a "managing expectations" viewpoint, this would be a terrible idea.

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26 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Why would it change based on the candidate? Like, is a donor giving $5M to NIL if the hire is Stevens, $1M if it's Cronin and $500K if it's McCollum?

That seems weird. I get giving different amounts for the salary, but giving to NIL seems like you either want to support the program or you don't. 

Confidence that the money would go to good use.  If a guy starts winning the money will take care of itself. 

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43 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

There is an article on ESPN.com but I could only read a little bit of it because it is behind a paywall. The main thing was where are all the big time coaches. It was talking about why Indiana other big time programs are having trouble getting top tier coaches to come to their schools. Also said if Texas and Villanova comes open they probably will have the same problem.

I didn't read it but I can guess at some possible explanations:

• Everyone is televised now, not just the big teams in the power conferences
• NIL has helped level the field some
• the transfer portal has helped diffuse talent - mid majors may lose top players to the high majors but high major bench players end up at mid-major schools and can be a star there
• Mid-major head coaches can still make millions of dollars

Basically, more parity in college basketball now. The high majors still have advantages but they don't seem to be as great as they once were. Maybe revenue sharing will tip the scales again, maybe not.

[HoosierInParadise 1,134]

Do you find it realistic that we are going to pay our coach 1.3 million more than the next highest-paid HC in the country? 13% more than the next highest-paid HC? 
Who is considered top tier? 

I just said if that's what it takes. I didn't do a market analysis on head coaching salaries. But if IU wants to be taken seriously anytime soon, this hire needs to make a splash. The top tier come from a group of coaches that you and a few others have no interest in discussing anymore on here....so I won't entertain with a list.

[DChoosier 9,322]

5 minutes ago, DSUMMITT said:

Absolutely not - that may be my favorite thing about this possibility (I do think he'll do well but I'm a 12 year old at heart)

My issue is that I called our vaunted “Movement” recruiting class the BM class and don’t want to relive that travesty.

[AZ Hoosier 9,762]

3 hours ago, 68Hoosier said:

Historic College Program Takes Major Setback as 8 Coaches Reject Indiana After Mike Woodson's Exit

 

Did anyone else read this?  So, 8 coaches have rejected IU, LOL.  

AI can be a scary thing... whole lot of "A", not much "I", IMO.

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7 minutes ago, HoosierInParadise said:

16 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Do you find it realistic that we are going to pay our coach 1.3 million more than the next highest-paid HC in the country? 13% more than the next highest-paid HC? 
Who is considered top tier? 

I just said if that's what it takes. I didn't do a market analysis on head coaching salaries. But if IU wants to be taken seriously anytime soon, this hire needs to make a splash. The top tier come from a group of coaches that you and a few others have no interest in discussing anymore on here....so I won't entertain with a list.

I don't believe that's what it takes, though. 

I am not gatekeeping discussion. Discuss away. 

I think a "splash" is doing your HW, etc etc... just like you did with Cig. If that equates to McCollum, so be it, I have no idea. Pearl is fine to me, Oates, at least those guys are current HCs in college and didn't RETIRE lol or are coaching in the NBA for a decade. 

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20 minutes ago, GloryDays said:

We're a historical blue blood not a relevant or current one and yes we've sank that far. 30 years of middling success will do that.

The only people who don't see it is us. I for one would be more than happy with McCollum.

I was mentally composing something along this very same line.  I think we're getting a harsh dose of reality that we're no longer the program we all perceive ourselves to be.  The cold hard facts are that we're just a slightly above average program and have been for quite some time and our supposed dollar resources aren't enough in and by themselves to buy us a high level coach.   

[AZ Hoosier 9,762]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Let's have a nice quiet day.

Nah, let's hire a coach... and tell the world who it is!

I woke up 15 pages behind... 

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2 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I didn't read it but I can guess at some possible explanations:

• Everyone is televised now, not just the big teams in the power conferences
• NIL has helped level the field some
• the transfer portal has helped diffuse talent - mid majors may lose top players to the high majors but high major bench players end up at mid-major schools and can be a star there
• Mid-major head coaches can still make millions of dollars

Basically, more parity in college basketball now. The high majors still have advantages but they don't seem to be as great as they once were. Maybe revenue sharing will tip the scales again, maybe not.

Good points.  It appears we are also seeing this in CFB where there is also an increase in parity.  It’s helping us some in FB and probably hurting us a bit in bball.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,967]

While true that there’s more parity in college basketball with NIL, NIL was supposed to make IU a more attractive job. Previously, a coach was expected to be a Boy Scout and cross every T and dot every I while competing at the same level of traditional bluebloods that we’re paying players under the table. They were expected to fight with both hands tied behind their back. Now, the IU coach will have as much money to recruit as any other coach in the country. Dolson said that himself. There’s also the fact that IU is in one of the two “premier” conferences. If we still can’t lure a name with those things in our favor then we’re in trouble. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

While true that there’s more parity in college basketball with NIL, NIL was supposed to make IU a more attractive job. Previously, a coach was expected to be a Boy Scout and cross every T and dot every I while competing at the same level of traditional bluebloods that we’re paying players under the table. They were expected to fight with both hands tied behind their back. Now, the IU coach will have as much money to recruit as any other coach in the country. Dolson said that himself. There’s also the fact that IU is in one of the two “premier” conferences. If we still can’t lure a name with those things in our favor then we’re in trouble. 

Or ... we aren't. You know? 

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43 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Why would it change based on the candidate? Like, is a donor giving $5M to NIL if the hire is Stevens, $1M if it's Cronin and $500K if it's McCollum?

That seems weird. I get giving different amounts for the salary, but giving to NIL seems like you either want to support the program or you don't. 

If I was a donor and skeptical of the hire I wouldn't contribute as much; same reason I wouldn't have given a cent to NIL this year just to be burned, not confident it's a good investment.

[AZ Hoosier 9,762]

2 hours ago, JaybobHoosier said:

Brownell was seen talking to Dolson this morning to discuss becoming to the new coach. 
 

 

(I feel dirty spreading that lie thinking speaking it into existence will make it happen)

 

At the very least, it will stir the pot again... 

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Kentucky hired Mark Pope when he only had 1 year of high major coaching under his belt 

He wast at byu for three years

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

While true that there’s more parity in college basketball with NIL, NIL was supposed to make IU a more attractive job. Previously, a coach was expected to be a Boy Scout and cross every T and dot every I while competing at the same level of traditional bluebloods that we’re paying players under the table. They were expected to fight with both hands tied behind their back. Now, the IU coach will have as much money to recruit as any other coach in the country. Dolson said that himself. There’s also the fact that IU is in one of the two “premier” conferences. If we still can’t lure a name with those things in our favor then we’re in trouble. 

It's still an above average job with blue blood expectations. Your feet are held to the fire the second you step foot on campus and you're burned alive at the stake by year 3 if desired levels of success aren't achieved. That downside far outweighs having money to buy a new roster every year, which doesn't guarantee anything.