NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Not sure your point, every teams 12th and 13th man just rides the pines. Almost every team only goes 8 or 9 deep for over 5 min/G PT. Leal and Galloway could easily be a12 and 13 on a B1G and NCAA championship team. If one leaves for Brooks, someone else will move down a notch and  lose PT to  Brooks or Brooks won't get the PT he wants and that is the guy that will most likely be an unhappy teammate.

I see a bigger potential problem with Hunter going from 20 min/G to 12-17 or Rob Phin 27 to 15ish. Galloway has to see the reduced minutes coming, but it will be a much harsher reality for an upperclassman to except graciously.

My point is IU fans seem to be happy with keeping kids who would be 12 or 13 and not taking someone who would come in a be a top 6 rotation guy this year. 

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It is a good point because it would never happen. Neither school is going to hire someone his age. Not sure what the staff at LN is like but I know South well and he wouldn't be top 3 maybe top 5 on the list at South. South has two former head coaches on staff, with Criss Beyers also being a long-time assistant. 

Could happen at LN for sure. 

[ap2345]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

It is a good point because it would never happen. Neither school is going to hire someone his age. Not sure what the staff at LN is like but I know South well and he wouldn't be top 3 maybe top 5 on the list at South. South has two former head coaches on staff, with Criss Beyers also being a long-time assistant. 

I just mentioned those as hypothetical situations. You never know when a coach could move on to a job that could impact your recruiting going forward. 

[Chris007]

Just now, btownqb said:

I'm well educated on the BS staff. 

Yes, you said Coyle, I hope he gets it myself since I like him the best, but not sure it hasn't been promised to Kyle too. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

10 minutes ago, btownqb said:

But crap.. 3 years ago he was a 5 STAR!!!! 

And this past season he outscored and out rebounded our returning 4 in fewer minutes per game. 
 

9 minutes ago, Bigred3588 said:

If Calipari and Coach K ran programs in states that produce the level of talent Indiana produces on a regular basis, they would probably think twice about alienating coaches within the state.

Woody has a great personality. You don’t get praise from so many former players of his without one. He’s the opposite of Crean in that department. Do you legitimately believe that forcing out an Indiana kid he never recruited would keep top Indiana talent away from IU if we’re consistently top 4 or 5 in the conference?

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Yes, you said Coyle, I hope he gets it myself since I like him the best, but not sure it hasn't been promised to Kyle too. 

From coaching against them/other interactions... it certainly appears Coyle is the guy now. I really don't know though. I think they do an excellent job. 

[iu eyedoc]

I am indifferent to the Brooks to IU talk, but a thought about why if he wants to transfer to IU he hasn't announced it yet.

He is a student in Lexington KY, that has already ruffled the feathers of UK fans with his Rupp comments, to announce you are going to transfer to a hated rival with months left in the semester would turned him into a pariah at best and a target of hate by many.

Imagine TJD tweeting, " Bob Knight was a whip carrying racist...oh, and I am entering the portal to transfer to Purdue. Boiler Down!!"

[CSP]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

And this past season he outscored and out rebounded our returning 4 in fewer minutes per game. 
 

Woody has a great personality. You don’t get praise from so many former players of his without one. He’s the opposite of Crean in that department. Do you legitimately believe that forcing out an Indiana kid he never recruited would keep top Indiana talent away from IU if we’re consistently top 4 or 5 in the conference?

I want Brooks on our team. I by no means think he is the "missing piece" or whatever. 

[Uspshoosier]

Portal is open all year long.  Just because someone took his name out of the portal doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t do it again when things change.  Brockington from Penn St came back after talking to the new coaching staff, then weeks later put his name back in.   Speculation is all anyone has.   Fact is until Brooks officially puts his name in the portal it doesn’t matter.  Players have their own choice to make on what will make them stay or leave.  My own opinion is with the new transfer rules it’s going to be hard for programs to convince kids to stay in the program with little playing time early and offering growing and developing  and by junior or senior years producing.   Even if some players stay on as the 12 or 13th guy within programs chances are the next year they are probably moving on to a different program.   Different landscape moving forward 

[iu eyedoc]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

My point is IU fans seem to be happy with keeping kids who would be 12 or 13 and not taking someone who would come in a be a top 6 rotation guy this year. 

 

My point is there is typically a very sharp line at about 8-10 with players getting more than 5 min/G. I see Galloway and Leal being more accepting of the limited minutes roll than, say Geronimo or Hunter. I see a potential problem more with the 8-10 slot guys staying happy with lesser minutes. Galloway's minutes from last year have realistically  already been given to other players, Brooks would be knocking someone else out of PT that may not be accepting of such a thing.   I think that is where things need to be worked out.

[iu eyedoc]

21 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Portal is open all year long.  Just because someone took his name out of the portal doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t do it again when things change.  Brockington from Penn St came back after talking to the new coaching staff, then weeks later put his name back in.   Speculation is all anyone has.   Fact is until Brooks officially puts his name in the portal it doesn’t matter.  Players have their own choice to make on what will make them stay or leave.  My own opinion is with the new transfer rules it’s going to be hard for programs to convince kids to stay in the program with little playing time early and offering growing and developing  and by junior or senior years producing.   Even if some players stay on as the 12 or 13th guy within programs chances are the next year they are probably moving on to a different program.   Different landscape moving forward 

Yep, beyond the top 8 to10 rotation, turnover is going to be immense. That is why finding 3 star guys like Leal and Galloway that bleed Hoosier Cream and Crimson will become more valuable. If not it will just become musical chairs on the bottom half of college rosters.

I would really like basketball to take on the college baseball model:

Players are eligible for the Major League Baseball draft out of high school. However, if a player attends a four-year university, they are not eligible for the draft again until after their junior year of college.

 

If players know they have to stay for 3 years they will be more accepting of "earning" PT. At least, I think it will help.

[Bowhunter]

Could anyone on our team be on an academic scholarship or walk on?


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[Hoosierfan1901]

1 minute ago, Bowhunter said:

Could anyone on our team be on an academic scholarship or walk on?


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I’ll take one for the team

[Chris007]

5 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

Could anyone on our team be on an academic scholarship or walk on?


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I found out last night that athletes are not allowed to have academic scholarships thanks to @Brass Cannon. Leal's parents work at IU so he would qualify for half off tution. 

[Unexpectedflash]

I think Brooks would be a really good get. I know it probably doesn't mean much at this point but subtracting him from Kentucky's roster on Bart Torvik makes them fall from 14 to 31 next year. I think he could be an elite defender next year and I have more faith in Woody to help develop his jumpshot than Cal at this point. I'd probably like him as a fit next to Trayce more than Race but that's just my opinion. 

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I found out last night that athletes are not allowed to have academic scholarships thanks to @Brass Cannon. Leal's parents work at IU so he would qualify for half off tution. 

Sounds good for someone to voluntarily become a walk-on for numbers sake but not many examples where it has been done especially at IU.   McDermott did it when he played at Creighton for his senior year but his dad was coach.   There is a couple other examples but I would have to dig them up 

[Chris007]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

Sounds good for someone to voluntarily become a walk-on for numbers sake but not many examples where it has been done especially at IU.   McDermott did it when he played at Creighton for his senior year but his dad was coach.   There is a couple other examples but I would have to dig them up 

I just think it is awesome that you can name an example off the top of your head. I'm not saying I would do it if I was Leal but just saying if it had to be done that could be a possibility. 

[LockdownD]

I was thinking about a prep school year for an incoming recruit. Wouldn’t that open up a spot for Brooks?  I think this was done by Tom Coverdale.  I hadn’t seen this idea brought up and I realize the rules maybe have changed.  Just a thought.

[68Hoosier]

I like our roster as it is right now.  I don't want to see anyone move to make room, plus the dad is a potential issues from what I remember in the past.  We do not need that on this team.

 

Edited April 23, 2021 by 68Hoosier

[dwtaylor1055]

Likelihood of Brooks transferring to IU, ready set go