IUBB vs Nebraska 12/13 8 pm BTN

[KzooHoosier82]

2 minutes ago, Bigred3588 said:

Honestly I didn’t really intend for it to come off as me bashing Smith because I’ve been content with his play for the most part. I say Rob is indispensable because he’s the primary ball handler and the only true PG we have. 

Fair enough but he needs talent to distribute to as well. We need both those guys to play well to be successful. Right now their backups aren’t playing well enough and Al’s basketball IQ isn’t where you want it to be for a floor general. 

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19 minutes ago, Bigred3588 said:

Now, while I’ve been critical of Smith, I do like what I’m hearing from him in this press conference.

He really is an intelligent and well-spoken young man..  Trayce is pretty sharp too, for an 18 year old freshman.

[Hoosier Guy]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I still want to hold out hope on Archie. I want him to get things figured out and be the guy for IU. 

Same. These are troubling signs though

[Hovadipo]

4 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

Osterman tweeted coach said Greens Achilles is bothering him


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At what point do people start ripping on Cliff Marshall? What’s the difference between him and the guy before him that everyone jumped all over?

[KzooHoosier82]

4 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

We aren’t in the tourney yet and playing like this we won’t be. 
 

Anc I don’t give 2 craps that he knows what the problems are. They are the same problems 3 years running. He needs to start fixing them

We also won’t always play like we did tonight, night in and night out. I get everyone’s frustration, hell Archie told reporters just how frustrated he is. We’ll take a day or two off, rest up and get back to work. We played like crap, got away with a win and hopefully will bring it next weekend in Indy (I say this knowing all to well what a house of horrors Bankers Life has been)

[Trish]

52 minutes ago, IUfan_Charlie said:

The Crean recruits are some of our best players....


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Also the most inconsistent. 

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, KzooHoosier82 said:

We also won’t always play like we did tonight, night in and night out. I get everyone’s frustration, hell Archie told reporters just how frustrated he is. We’ll take a day or two off, rest up and get back to work. We played like crap, got away with a win and hopefully will bring it next weekend in Indy (I say this knowing all to well what a house of horrors Bankers Life has been)

Heard we won’t keep playing like this 3 bad games in a row this year and starting loss 2 during the 13 game dumpster fire last year. 

[VO5]

4 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

At what point do people start ripping on Cliff Marshall? What’s the difference between him and the guy before him that everyone jumped all over?

This is a good point. I know injuries can happen at any time, but all of these for our guys since Marshall got here just seem..way too excessive. Looking at the S&C program might be a good idea idk.

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, VO5 said:

This is a good point. I know injuries can happen at any time, but all of these for our guys since Marshall got here just seem..way too excessive. Looking at the S&C program might be a good idea idk.

Could also be the administration has gotten more careful since the Wilson debacle. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

7 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

Same. These are troubling signs though

For sure. I'm not liking how things have looked so far, but we're 10-1 so I can't complain toooo much. I'm glad the cupcakes are almost over because it's hard to judge us when we're playing the little sisters of the poor. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Got to give TJD his props....he certainly is a man.  Think back to the two players of most similar incoming pedigree to him --- Noah Vonleh and Thomas Bryant.  Have to say that TJD is better than either of them were as freshman.

I’d put him on the same level as Vonleh. Vonleh though was a HS senior his freshman year and was still a man in the Big Ten. I think a better coach or at least a team with some shooters and he would have been way better.


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[reconmkd]

At what point do people start ripping on Cliff Marshall? What’s the difference between him and the guy before him that everyone jumped all over?

Have there been a bunch of injuries? Yes. Is it on Cliff? Idk. I can’t rewind far enough on Hulu to see the play where Green was “injured” to see what happened. And some of the other major injuries (concussions, rib injuries) I don’t think you can blame on him though. Ankles happen, I had to wrap mine and wear a brace every single game I ever played in. Wasn’t a matter of if I was going to roll an ankle, it was when.


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[Bigred3588]

Someone brought up the early Crean teams so I went back and looked at the schedule from that season. I wonder if the MSU fans were melting down when their top-10 ranked team only managed a 5 point win against an IU team that had to recruit players at baseball tryouts and actually dressed a team manager at one point.

[Alford Bailey]

You arent gonna shoot 20% from three and win very many games in this conference. 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 minute ago, Hardwood83 said:

Good for you finding positives (sincerely) but I don't see anything positive out of this. Absolutely nothing. IU was out-hustled in every facet of the game. Played lazy, indifferent defense like getting torched by 150lb walk-ons driving for lay-ups from 25ft out. Missed FT's, sloppy passes and unforced TO's. It was a complete train wreck against a collection of scrubs that couldn't make most D1 rosters. I am discouraged and every time I think there is light at the end of the tunnel a humiliation like this game happens. 

Nebraska is ranked 149 on KenPom.  They aren't good, but saying that have a collection of scrubs that couldn't make most D1 rosters is beyond hyperbolic.  Also guess I'm not sure what "150 pound walk on" driving for lay-ups you are talking about since they don't list anyone under 190 pounds and all of their points were scored by scholarship players.

[Alford Bailey]

Just now, Bigred3588 said:

Someone brought up the early Crean teams so I went back and looked at the schedule from that season. I wonder if the MSU fans were melting down when the only managed a 5 point win against an IU team that had to recruit players at baseball tryouts and actually dressed a team manager at one point.

Dude whats your point? When was the last time MSU missed the tournament?

[HoosierInParadise]

Actually we won a lot of close games in December and then proceeded to revert to the mean in January and February. 

Yeah you're right. I forgot about the close games early in the season last year and remembered them when I went back and looked. I guess I'm tired of being frustrated about the little things and if the team is able to gut out a win, regardless of the opponent and/or how ugly it is, I've decided to be happy with it and hope for growth.

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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, mbredenk101 said:

Yeah you're right. I forgot about the close games early in the season last year and remembered them when I went back and looked. I guess I'm tired of being frustrated about the little things and if the team is able to gut out a win, regardless of the opponent and/or how ugly it is, I've decided to be happy with it and hope for growth.

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I hope for growth. I just don’t expect it 

[RaceToTheTop]

4 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I’d put him on the same level as Vonleh. Vonleh though was a HS senior his freshman year and was still a man in the Big Ten. I think a better coach or at least a team with some shooters and he would have been way better.


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Not sure TJD is surrounded by any better shooters.  I do think TJD presents himself better to guards than Vonleh did which is why he is scoring more.  A lot got blamed on our guards not getting the ball to Vonleh -- and they didn't -- but I think he didn't help out that much in flashing, either.

[Bigred3588]

2 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Dude whats your point? When was the last time MSU missed the tournament?

It was a reference to the poster talking about Nebraska being a team of scrubs and the worst power 5 team in any conference and blah blah blah. The point is that 10 years ago we went 6-25 and even THAT team played some competitive games against solid competition. We’re 10-1 and people are b****ing because the wins aren’t pretty enough.