Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Whoozhers]

Yep all while espn is more worried about a political agenda.

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MSESPN. Why? What ever happened to the E-ntertainment S-ports Programming Network? These days, unfortunately, it is like watching MSESPN. I don't get it. I'm very close to pulling the plug.


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[AKHoosier]

I think Smith is the most important recruit for 2017.  Puts up great numbers at high level Illinois basketball, which is nice because he's a Midwest kid from B1G country.  One thing we missed this past season was an athletic, slashing wing like Troy Williams, and I never thought I'd say how much we missed Troy Williams, but his baseline cuts to the basket were instant offense.

He would be a great, great addition to our roster for 3-4 years.

Oh, and Mad Mushroom was the best pizza in Bloomington from what I recall.  Aver's a close second.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

I get that some on here love loyalty and honoring commitments to kids/programs, but all this talk about not wanting more kids because we would have to move on from one of ours is crazy. It is okay for all these kids to transfer or think about transferring, but Archie shouldn't be allowed to go get better players?

Yes, Archie will be a 3.5 million dollar guy, but you know how he keeps that kinda money coming in or to get even more? To be good. You could maybe make an argument if these guys were his, but their not. What it comes down to is, it is his job to make us good and compete at a high level. With high expectations comes change and sometimes unwanted.

I get it most of us like these kids and don't want them thrown to the curb, but if they have the option to transfer and leave for the NBA, then Archie should be able to go get better talent if he can. When you offer a scholarship to a kid, at the time you need him and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. Things change every single year though and these kids know the game. If you don't perform, your chances of staying at an elite level program like IU aren't very high.

Would it be sad to see Grant Gelon or Tim Priller get "Creaned"? Absolutely!! Is it fair? Not really, but kinda at the same time. For kids like those two, regardless of how long they are here, they are probably having the best years of their lives. If they can earn a scholarship at IU then there is at least one school out there that would take them in.

With all that said, if Tremont Waters or some 5 star wanted to be at IU, you make room however you have to. I hated Crean throwing offers out non stop, but him constantly recruiting was never a negative for me of him. He always wanted to make sure he had the best roster he could have and also have a back up if these kids just decide to transfer or leave for the NBA.

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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

I get that some on here love loyalty and honoring commitments to kids/programs, but all this talk about not wanting more kids because we would have to move on from one of ours is crazy. It is okay for all these kids to transfer or think about transferring, but Archie shouldn't be allowed to go get better players?

Yes, Archie will be a 3.5 million dollar guy, but you know how he keeps that kinda money coming in or to get even more? To be good. You could maybe make an argument if these guys were his, but their not. What it comes down to is, it is his job to make us good and compete at a high level. With high expectations comes change and sometimes unwanted.

I get it most of us like these kids and don't want them thrown to the curb, but if they have the option to transfer and leave for the NBA, then Archie should be able to go get better talent if he can. When you offer a scholarship to a kid, at the time you need him and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. Things change every single year though and these kids know the game. If you don't perform, your chances of staying at an elite level program like IU aren't very high.

Would it be sad to see Grant Gelon or Tim Priller get "Creaned"? Absolutely!! Is it fair? Not really, but kinda at the same time. For kids like those two, regardless of how long they are here, they are probably having the best years of their lives. If they can earn a scholarship at IU then there is at least one school out there that would take them in.

With all that said, if Tremont Waters or some 5 star wanted to be at IU, you make room however you have to. I hated Crean throwing offers out non stop, but him constantly recruiting was never a negative for me of him. He always wanted to make sure he had the best roster he could have and also have a back up if these kids just decide to transfer or leave for the NBA.

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Pretty much yep, thats how it works.  IU made a commitment to these kids, and these kids get punished when they want to transfer.

[ap2345]

1 minute ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

I get that some on here love loyalty and honoring commitments to kids/programs, but all this talk about not wanting more kids because we would have to move on from one of ours is crazy. It is okay for all these kids to transfer or think about transferring, but Archie shouldn't be allowed to go get better players?

Yes, Archie will be a 3.5 million dollar guy, but you know how he keeps that kinda money coming in or to get even more? To be good. You could maybe make an argument if these guys were his, but their not. What it comes down to is, it is his job to make us good and compete at a high level. With high expectations comes change and sometimes unwanted.

I get it most of us like these kids and don't want them thrown to the curb, but if they have the option to transfer and leave for the NBA, then Archie should be able to go get better talent if he can. When you offer a scholarship to a kid, at the time you need him and sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. Things change every single year though and these kids know the game. If you don't perform, your chances of staying at an elite level program like IU aren't very high.

Would it be sad to see Grant Gelon or Tim Priller get "Creaned"? Absolutely!! Is it fair? Not really, but kinda at the same time. For kids like those two, regardless of how long they are here, they are probably having the best years of their lives. If they can earn a scholarship at IU then there is at least one school out there that would take them in.

With all that said, if Tremont Waters or some 5 star wanted to be at IU, you make room however you have to. I hated Crean throwing offers out non stop, but him constantly recruiting was never a negative for me of him. He always wanted to make sure he had the best roster he could have and also have a back up if these kids just decide to transfer or leave for the NBA.

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I think part of this problem is Glass making the scholarships 4 years guaranteed in his Student-Athlete Bill of Rights.

[Hoosierfan2017]

I don't think Archie is going to come in and try rebuilding relationships with high school coaches by immediately Creaning guys. It's just a bad look imo.

[ap2345]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don't think Archie is going to come in and try rebuilding relationships with high school coaches by immediately Creaning guys. It's just a bad look imo.

I agree. Especially when one of the athlete's at the top of the creaning list is an Indiana kid.

[Trish]

Pizza X
Motherbears


Anything other than that, irrelevant.

I like dominos though [emoji102]


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[Tom White]

MSESPN. Why? What ever happened to the E-ntertainment S-ports Programming Network? These days, unfortunately, it is like watching MSESPN. I don't get it. I'm very close to pulling the plug.


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Much rather that than FOXESPN. That would be a channel that made up scores based on who they wanted to win the game, rather than what the scoreboard showed.

No! Don't look at the scoreboard! We'll tell you about it!

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

Pizza X
Motherbears


Anything other than that, irrelevant.

I like dominos though


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I miss when Pizza X had the Big Ten Bargain.  It pigeon holed them into keeping the price down

[BtownBanner6]

Pizza X
Motherbears


Anything other than that, irrelevant.

I like dominos though [emoji102]


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Avers top notch

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

I think part of this problem is Glass making the scholarships 4 years guaranteed in his Student-Athlete Bill of Rights.

He needs to change that asap then. I agree it isn't the best option, but it happens EVERYWHERE. If we owe these kids 4 years, then in return it should make them owe us 4 years. I know that isn't likely, but it puts us at a disadvantage. It gives them all the power too. Plus if we do move on it makes the situation a lot harder than it needs to be.

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[Hovadipo]

Avers top notch

Avers and Mo Bears are the only 2 pizza places in Bloomington.

[tyappleg]

Avers and Mo Bears are the only 2 pizza places in Bloomington.

RIP Mad Mushroom Cheese Bread.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

14 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I agree. Especially when one of the athlete's at the top of the creaning list is an Indiana kid.

Yupp. Priller and Gelon are two main guys on the list and Creaning Gelon would be incredibly stupid. He can't talk about how much he wants to recruit the state and then force out one of our few Indiana kids. Sure Gelon isn't good enough to produce at this level right now but I think the backlash would exceed whatever benefit we would get from opening up a scholarship. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

All this Mother Bears love is making me wonder if something's wrong with me for not liking it.. Maybe I haven't tried the right thing there yet. 

[OliviaPope40]

In terms of Mother Bears on gameday go early or you're not going to be able to get a table.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

I don't think Archie is going to come in and try rebuilding relationships with high school coaches by immediately Creaning guys. It's just a bad look imo.

Priller isn't an Indiana kid and Gelon, though a great kid most coaches wouldn't bat an eye if it were to happen in all honesty. They would see it as Crean took a chance on him and he isn't the type of kid Archie wants. Sadly since he wasn't highly recruited or ranked his connections aren't that extended.

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

Priller isn't an Indiana kid and Gelon, though a great kid most coaches wouldn't bat an eye if it were to happen in all honesty. They would see it as Crean took a chance on him and he isn't the type of kid Archie wants. Sadly since he wasn't highly recruited or ranked his connections aren't that extended.

Thats not how it works, Gelon may not be that connected but it sets a tone

[Stromboli]

I've never been into Mother Bears. Really more of a stromboli at Nick's guy...

Guys , Moore and Durham aren't cant-miss recruits (even though Durham seems like an awesome kid). And we have enough talent on this team that we don't need freshmen beyond Smith next year. It goes way further to miss out on these recruits but build the team-first mindset. For our players to buy in, Archie needs their trust. 

"Creaning" is a snide term with negative connotation. Let's drop it from the program.