TOM CREAN FIRED

[ziggyiu]

I don't understand bragging about beating one of the worst UK teams under coach Cal to advance to the sweet 16. Sure, it was fun, but beating a 4 seed to get to the sweet 16 used to be something greater is on the horizon, perhaps. Now, that's it. The three times Crean has taken IU to the sweet 16, the team has lost by double digits. But that's enough to keep some IU fans happy. 

It's like that with the two Big Ten titles. Sure, they're great. Happy to have them, but never finishing better than 5th in the league every year expect for those two is more concerning. Between the title seasons was a year IU didn't even make the NIT and a team that earned the lowest tournament seed in school (then got bounced by Wichita State). 

[HoosierAloha]

I think we are closer to the team that lost to IPFW and Nebraska, then we are to the one that beat Kansas.  Not in the middle.  The problem is that ceiling and floor are miles apart instead of feet.

The team is a reflection of their coach. This team can beat any in the country but lose to a good percentage. A lot has to do with them hitting threes and if they care to defend.

What happened to the better defense we saw in the second half of last season? Is it JBJ back? Is it JMo and OG being in the system for a year longer where offense is more important than defending? Is it no leadership from players or coaches?

It seems like we're now in the same position as the Maui fiasco + Duke last season at the start of B1G. The difference is I don't see them turning it around this season.

[hsrtxp]

So u think they are a team closer to missing the tournament entirely instead of team that gets a mediocre seed? Somewhere in the middle is a team that will make the tournament with a 5-9 seed line. A team that loses to Nebraska and IPFW doesn't make the tournament and a team that beats Kansas and North Carolina gets a top 3 seed in my opinion


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This is the million dollar question so to speak. I think we will find out what this team is made of this coming week. They have the athletic ability to play with anyone but do they have the mental fortitude to win. Will a team leader show up? Can they step up? Can CTC get them playing as a team and help them get their confidence back.

I don't know.

I can see this going either way but right now I think it's more likely they are going to tank rather than step up.


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[Uspshoosier]

19 minutes ago, ziggyiu said:

I don't understand bragging about beating one of the worst UK teams under coach Cal to advance to the sweet 16. Sure, it was fun, but beating a 4 seed to get to the sweet 16 used to be something greater is on the horizon, perhaps. Now, that's it. The three times Crean has taken IU to the sweet 16, the team has lost by double digits. But that's enough to keep some IU fans happy. 

It's like that with the two Big Ten titles. Sure, they're great. Happy to have them, but never finishing better than 5th in the league every year expect for those two is more concerning. Between the title seasons was a year IU didn't even make the NIT and a team that earned the lowest tournament seed in school (then got bounced by Wichita State). 
 

I don't understand people trying to diminish a win against a Kentucky team they won the sec regular season and tournament ( probably should of been a 3 seed). Almost every national expert had them coming out of the region. That team also had a couple lottery picks. Sure that's not good enough for IU fans over 35 but sadly for IU fans under the age of 30 those sweet 16 runs are about the only success they have experienced ( besides one magical run to the final game). Sure crean isn't the guy but making light of the fact they beat a really good Kentucky team last year doesn't seem like the right way to go about it


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[KingPG21]

29 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I don't understand people trying to diminish a win against a Kentucky team they won the sec regular season and tournament ( probably should of been a 3 seed). Almost every national expert had them coming out of the region. That team also had a couple lottery picks. Sure that's not good enough for IU fans over 35 but sadly for IU fans under the age of 30 those sweet 16 runs are about the only success they have experienced ( besides one magical run to the final game). Sure crean isn't the guy but making light of the fact they beat a really good Kentucky team last year doesn't seem like the right way to go about it


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Eh my only disagreement is that winning the SEC isn't really an accomplishment. That conference is utter garbage in basketball, even more that Donovan is gone from Florida. 

[Uspshoosier]

Eh my only disagreement is that winning the SEC isn't really an accomplishment. That conference is utter garbage in basketball, even more that Donovan is gone from Florida. 

you are probably right but that was still 2 regular season champs matching up in the second round. Shouldn't of been matched up that early. Kentucky still beat duke last year during the regular season. My whole point was that Kentucky team was good.


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[TheWatShot]

49 minutes ago, ziggyiu said:

I don't understand bragging about beating one of the worst UK teams under coach Cal to advance to the sweet 16.  

Personally, I would brag about any win over UK, because I hate their guts. 

 

That was Calipari's sixth tournament team at UK, and we've been the only team to beat them on the first weekend. They should have been a 3 seed at worst. The committee dropped them to a 4 so they could pair them up with us in the second round. How many power-5 conference champions have ever had to face another power-5 champion on the first weekend? It was set up for us to fail, and we didn't. Were they as good as their previous two Final Four teams? Probably not, but let's not act like that was just an ordinary second round win against a team we should have expected to handle. 

 

Then again, I've been informed that if you beat a top 5 team on a neutral court when one of your freshmen scores 11 points in 44 minutes, it means that team didn't scout you well enough and beating another top 5 team at home means little in our case because apparently we're just too good there anymore. So whatever. 

[JSHoosier]

20 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

at home means little in our case because apparently we're just too good there anymore.

Not too at home for Nebraska apparently though....

[Alford Bailey]

39 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Personally, I would brag about any win over UK, because I hate their guts. 

 

That was Calipari's sixth tournament team at UK, and we've been the only team to beat them on the first weekend. They should have been a 3 seed at worst. The committee dropped them to a 4 so they could pair them up with us in the second round. How many power-5 conference champions have ever had to face another power-5 champion on the first weekend? It was set up for us to fail, and we didn't. Were they as good as their previous two Final Four teams? Probably not, but let's not act like that was just an ordinary second round win against a team we should have expected to handle. 

 

Then again, I've been informed that if you beat a top 5 team on a neutral court when one of your freshmen scores 11 points in 44 minutes, it means that team didn't scout you well enough and beating another top 5 team at home means little in our case because apparently we're just too good there anymore. So whatever. 

Tells me the committee didnt think much of us as B1G champ or UK as SEC champ. I love any UK win. That was a good team not a great one under Cal. We were all confident of that win. We all saw what happened the next week against an elite team. Ugly. Which goes back to the original point.We dont recruit well enough for Crean to compete against the elites in the tourney.

[TheWatShot]

4 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

We dont recruit well enough for Crean to compete against the elites in the tourney.

I can't argue that. I just get a little annoyed at how every significant win is downplayed somehow, as if feeling good about it means we don't expect enough. 

[HoosierAloha]

It's January 1, 2017. Fire Crean.

[bleedhoosier]

Tells me the committee didnt think much of us as B1G champ or UK as SEC champ. I love any UK win. That was a good team not a great one under Cal. We were all confident of that win. We all saw what happened the next week against an elite team. Ugly. Which goes back to the original point.We dont recruit well enough for Crean to compete against the elites in the tourney.

To keep things in perspective, that elite team was garbage from 3 land all season and shot out of their minds. That was rough timing for IU and the lead was never completely out of hand due to us shooting well. I think we cut it to 7 in the 2nd half. We just didn't have the big bodies last year to hold off Meeks and crew. Davis would have been HUGE in that game. Bryant, OG and Morgan are/were not build for that kind of banging.

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[Brass Cannon]

13 minutes ago, bleedhoosier said:

To keep things in perspective, that elite team was garbage from 3 land all season and shot out of their minds. That was rough timing for IU and the lead was never completely out of hand due to us shooting well. I think we cut it to 7 in the 2nd half. We just didn't have the big bodies last year to hold off Meeks and crew. Davis would have been HUGE in that game. Bryant, OG and Morgan are/were not build for that kind of banging.

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It's amazing how so many bad shooting teams have great games against. Almost like we have something to do with it. 

[coonhounds]

Crean said on his radio show a couple weeks ago that everyone has a green light and he has faith in ever player to make the shot. Who has ever heard of this and it shows he does because all of them put up questionable shots. It is great to have confidence in your players but coach them to play within themselves and not try to be something some will never be. If you turn the ball over 20 times a game change your coaching to not play faster and play under control. Playing faster will not win u games if u can't control the ball. Work on individual free throw shooting no excuse for some of the players averages and not improve from one year to the next.

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[HoosierAloha]

Crean said on his radio show a couple weeks ago that everyone has a green light and he has faith in ever player to make the shot. Who has ever heard of this and it shows he does because all of them put up questionable shots. It is great to have confidence in your players but coach them to play within themselves and not try to be something some will never be. If you turn the ball over 20 times a game change your coaching to not play faster and play under control. Playing faster will not win u games if u can't control the ball. Work on individual free throw shooting no excuse for some of the players averages and not improve from one year to the next.

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Discipline has never been a strong suit of Crean teams. Defined roles and playing to those roles isn't something we've seen under Crean either. That's why some love playing for him.

[Hoosierfan2017]

Giving every guy on the team the green light is such a Crean move.. I can't even say I'm surprised. 

[hoosierpap]

On 12/31/2016 at 9:04 PM, TheWatShot said:

I'm just going to say this again: Glass is letting it play out because he knows how important his next basketball hire will be and doesn't want to make a change just for the sake of making a change. It isn't as simple as just handing Stevens a blank check. So can we please stop with the "Glass will never fire Crean/Crean will be here as long as Glass is" nonsense? 

 

This. If Glass were to miss on the next one he is done. Glass and Crean aren't buddies by any stretch but that is somehow a thing here.

[ctown2grhoosier]

I hate when fans say, crean cant play Defense for them, or crean isn't the one turning the ball over. If we had a couple of bad defensive games here in there and a couple of games with high turnovers here and there most people wouldn't be upset, that's the way basketball goes, but this is a continuous problem game after game year after year. They are so undisciplined on both offense and defense. I mean they still cannot guard a simple pick-and-roll, and and the shot selection sometimes are ridiculous! I don't even want to start on the crazy substitution patterns! Crean is the problem period!

[recker222000]

Giving every guy on the team the green light is such a Crean move.. I can't even say I'm surprised. 

Yes they are or he would of been fired a year ago. If crean fails glass looks bad. Freds going to go with him as long as he can.

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[Hovadipo]

Yes they are or he would of been fired a year ago. If crean fails glass looks bad. Freds going to go with him as long as he can.

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I'm assuming this was supposed to be in reply to Pap?

If yes: Uh, ok.

If no: I'm confused.


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