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Yeah -- Tuck got fouled. But it shouldn't have come down to that. This was friggin' ugly.

So I will ring in here, I think it was fed up after Woodson and at a certain point, you could tell this team just isn't built to do the "it" we want it to. They are about at their ceiling right now which is to squeak into the tournament and probably be one and done. They are still in a position to do that but honestly you kind of look around at the programs in our area and after just seeing a national title run in football and sitting around watching 19-12, 8 minute scoring drought, can't defend very well basketball just isn't that exciting. We have been "rebuilding" for 10 years and frankly the program is just stale. The crowd was stale. The play was stale. There is just no juice, like it doesn't even really excite or bother me too much while watching the games anymore. I was all in on the football team during the CFP run and when I contrast it to this it is the difference between being invested and watching out of habit and nothing better to do. And when the bulk of the team is going to be gone next year, you aren't even watching for the future. The argument we have heard the past 10 years is that the fan base has held the program back with our negativity and we all just need to shut up and go away for awhile until they get things cooking again. They are getting their wish. Twitter was about as docile after a disaster like last night as I have ever seen out of the fanbase and that wasn't because of understanding, it is apathy.

He has the inside moves of a 14 year old boy on his first date.

I'll take the other side of that prediction. I think he'll be remembered for the IUFB transformation and 16-0 National Championship season. It's probably the best story in college sports history. IUBB stunk long before Scott took over, so what's happening isn't new. I guess if he ends up needing to hire two more MBB coaches and he flubs those hires, and IUFB falls off... maybe the MBB struggles start to be more top of mind when it comes to him. That would be grim. We'll know in 10 years or so...

We have cheered for a mentally soft (minus a year or two) IUBB program for the last couple decades. Last night was nothing new. You can’t blame the refs (who were bad) for a Big 10 loss to a bad opponent when you don’t score for 9 minutes. That, within itself, is soft. Excuses are soft. Giving up leads- often mental let down. Getting pushed off spots and not being physical on cuts- mental softness. Guys, our offensive stuff is pretty good. But if guys aren’t maintaining spacing, cutting hard, etc it’s all a sign of mental letdowns. Until the team shows some mental fortitude, many IU fans will stay home. This is the same stinking song we’ve been listening to since the mid 90’s.

They say he's not involved with coaching, but if the Lakers win a game next week 58-54, you'll know why.

I call bullshirt that Devries initiated this. Entirely possible that Devries agreed that this was a good idea, but Carr says he had zero prior relationship with Devries. Carr and and Dolson are fellow members of the fraternity of Bob Knight IU student managers. Dolson and Carr clearly have a long-standing pre-existing relationship, and to me this is clearly a Dolson initiative.

Carr in his media availability this morning says the job came together in just the last 10-12 days, he never thought he’d leave the Pacers. He’s emotional talking about leaving them…had really worked his way up there. You don’t make this move without complete confidence in the coach and administrations vision to build a winning program.

The IU Basketball administration has been so inept so I won't give them credit for this, but maybe they've stumbled into something with this Carr guy? Everyone is raving about him and he's a proven NBA front office guy. Maybe put him in charge of the entire operation, including the coaching staff? Build a real, NBA-style front office with a department of scouts, recruiters, analytics people and NIL experts, and put Carr in charge of the entire thing. You then minimize the need for the coach to be the "face" of the program and university, and you just need a real coach. You no longer 'need' an Izzo, Pitino, Coach K, etc, etc. The coach doesn't need to be a recruiter, NIL experts, scout, fundraiser, mouthpiece and all of that stuff and can just coach. It widens the available talent pool because you no longer need a personality, you just need a coach. Make it a pro operation. Outside of the players, the face of the program for the Celtics is Brad Stevens, for OKC it's Sam Presti, for the Eagles it's Howie Roseman and for the Seahawks its John Schneider. I don't know, just trying to come up with something.

If they won out(not likely) that would be enough to get them in without the BTT

Can’t believe I am now wishing Woodson did get 1 more year. At least we would have the rumor mill to look forward to. What does Devries get, at least 2 more?

Ryan Carr... we're all looking at you buddy. Please save us.

Tonight’s performance with an NCAA tournament on the line was all on the coach. How can you not get your players ready to come out and kick butt in the second half? We looked like a Woodson coached team tonight falling short after leading most of the game.

You can piss and moan all you want Devries but we lost this game when we didn’t make a basket from the floor for 9 minutes.

The whole give the ball to Tucker 34 feet away from the hoop and back dribble the guy 4 feet to still be 30 feet away from the hoop is something.

Wilkerson is the most fun IU player to watch since Yogi for me.

Been making this comp for years. Only big difference is Nebraska left the conference that, at the time, was mostly regional plus was their recruiting hot bed and no longer playing on the plains/Texas completely changed how they built their rosters. The thing that makes them like us is that they did it to themselves, just like we have for however long now.

The fact none of his players followed should have been a major red flag

On the bright side, maybe a bad finish and missed tournament will move me farther up the season ticket waiting list lol.

Brother, there's no chance he leaves any earlier than year 3 and in all likelihood year 4... buckle up

I know everyone loves how hard enright plays but 0 points from your starting PG playing 25 minutes a game puts you at such a disadvantage. He has 3 points combined the last 3 games:/

We changing the title of that other tread back? :)

Two things can be true: 1) That 2nd half was s**t from a butt. That’s on us. 2) The officiating was so bad that DDV needs to go on a warpath bad enough to get suspended for the MSU game.

Six months to go:

Reed Blocking a shot into the basket is so on brand for him

Martenelli looks like he works out. TD looks like he eats a lot of chips.

Between him and Trayce, definitely. TJD was a menace on both ends

Looks like a Wilkerson night.

I listened and agree with him on balance but they need to hit a homerun this offseason. With that said, if the back room agreement between Dolson and Carr is something like “we believe in CDD, but if you do a good job and CDD doesn’t, we’re going to let you lead the coaching search a la the NBA” …well, I don’t hate the idea. ( on a separate note, I’m not fully sure how to assess the Carr hire. I like it. Been a Pacer fan since the Reggie days. Maybe deserving of a longer post sometime).

If IUFB can win the NC in year 2 then IUBB can make the NCAAT in year 2. This wait and see approach needs to stop with these guys.

I’ve said that every year for the last 20 years. lol.

I very strongly suspect that this came together two weeks ago because after 2/3 of this season, Dolson has recognized that the roster construction strategies by Devries are not working. And so he took a proactive step to do something about it.

Watch this be the year we win the BTT lol

This never works in basketball anyways. It’s not football. I’m not sure Devries Xs and Os are all that bad anyways. It mostly seems like implementation. He’s not a very good in-game coach. And that to me has always been as much of an art as it is science. Hard to get an assistant to shore that up.

This isn't great. But it's about 10X better than Woodson season 3.

We are definitely paying top of market coaching staff salary in football. DeVries makes about the same as Golden. In the upper tier of salaries behind the current big guys like Self, Cal, Hurley, Izzo We may not be top 20 in football NIL. According to most sources, IU is one of the bigger spenders in basketball NIL. Hard to quantify exactly where, but end of the day, it's a 8 figure payroll and not that many college basketball programs can afford that. We can and should expect to be good in both sports. Money is not an excuse. More of it just always helps. IUBB needs a lot of help.

Results wise IU is exactly closer to Kansas St then they are Kansas except Kansas St has actually had been to a couple Elite 8s in the last 20 years. Fans can dream all they want that all they need is money to get this program where they think that it can be. people can sunshine pump all they want that it’s an easy fix but it’s not. IU is a mid program. Maybe string together 2 consecutive winning conference records and then maybe they can turn the corner. Results say that isn’t going to happen. Mid

Iowa, UVa, Nova, Miami, Texas A&M, NC State, Texas all heading to the tourney this year while we watch again from home. 1st year coaches. I guess all those places have been to more tourneys than us since 2016 so maybe I shouldn’t be surprised.

This is all on Coach Devries. He's been too passive all year. The team plays that way, and the officials don't give IU any respect.

Think football thoughts. Adjust the mindset. Pretend we are Georgia.

You guys are killing me…lol

Officials just don't fear DeVries. No way a team playing Tom Izzo would get away with all this.

Tuck skied for that block. I think he might have gotten 4 inches off the floor!

NW had a foul to give, were blatantly shoving Lamar to get a whistle and they still wouldn't call it. Jeez.

Sisley: “Coach, what if I told you that you are like a father to me?”