College Bball Thread

[WayneFleekHoosier]

So, those guys represented the candy stripes well in your opinion?

Not really the point. Sampson has coached a lot of guys after his career at Indiana and his teams play hard, together, and smart and avoid making headlines.

Indiana had an axe to grind with Sampson and Dakich had a vendetta so the Indiana stuff gets overblown. I mean whatever you want to think, you do you, but referring to Sampson’s guys as thugs isn’t a good look.


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[IUCrazy2]

1 hour ago, craigyv88 said:

Definitely agree with the last part. They've almost made an identity solely out of crapping on us and do so constantly while simultaneously screaming how much better they are.  Yet we're supposed to turn around and low-key root for them when it's clear we're out of the picture.  To each their own, but not on my watch.  I don't enjoy watching their games, I hate the way they get officiated, and their fans make them hard to even be ok with.  And I don't know Painter or any one of their kids personally or behind closed doors whatsoever so I'm not going to promulgate how good of people they are.  From my perspective they are a black and gold stain on the underwear of college basketball and they make me enjoy the game less because of their presence.  Screw them eternally.

Co-sign.  Screw Purdue.

[Hoosierfan2017]

IU has made 6 tournaments in 16 years since firing Sampson. Sampson has made 5 sweet 16s in the past 5 tournaments (IU has made 4 in my entire lifetime). What could’ve been… 

[Demo]

20 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Sampson would’ve killed it at IU. He’s built a powerhouse at Houston. A school that made the tournament once between 1992 and 2018. You could argue that IU killed its basketball program the day it fired Sampson, imo. 

Or, you could also argue that IU killed it’s program when it had the choice of Sampson or John Beilein and hired the guy who was under NCAA sanctions after leaving his previous program on probation for doing the same stupid $hit and then lying about it when they could have hired 1 of the best coaches in the country who would have killed it here and not incinerated the program while he was at it. I have no sympathy for the Sampson rehabilitation narrative. He 100% deserved it and the decision makers involved deserved more for hiring that creep when they knew that if he committed any violations they would be straight hammered for hiring a sanctioned coach. Zero respect for the guy and less than zero for the decision makers. 

[cleeter]

Off topic, but Zach Edey has NEVER fouled out in the 134 games he’s played (104 started). Has more games with Zero fouls than with 4 fouls. And he doesn’t get special treatment……hmmm okay.


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[Uspshoosier]

Shead getting hurt stinks and Creighton playing a triangle and 2 has changed this game 

[Hoosierfan2017]

6 minutes ago, Demo said:

Or, you could also argue that IU killed it’s program when it had the choice of Sampson or John Beilein and hired the guy who was under NCAA sanctions after leaving his previous program on probation for doing the same stupid $hit and then lying about it when they could have hired 1 of the best coaches in the country who would have killed it here and not incinerated the program while he was at it. I have no sympathy for the Sampson rehabilitation narrative. He 100% deserved it and the decision makers involved deserved more for hiring that creep when they knew that if he committed any violations they would be straight hammered for hiring a sanctioned coach. Zero respect for the guy and less than zero for the decision makers. 

Meh, Sampson’s ‘violations’ were nothing burgers compared to what other coaches were doing. IU could’ve doubled down and been just fine but we took the holier than thou route and are still dealing with the consequences 16 years later. Duke, Kansas, UK, etc. wouldn’t have thought twice about it. Watching Sampson in the tournament every year is a painful reminder. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

It’s inspiring to watch Filipowski after his near amputation earlier this year against Wake Forest. 

[Five Prime]

For some reason it appears Houston isn't playing very hard, they look like they're asleep to me.  Weird. 

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Five Prime said:

For some reason it appears Houston isn't playing very hard, they look like they're asleep to me.  Weird. 

Lost their leader in the first half.  Haven’t been the same since 

[FortWayneHoosier]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

Have you watched UConn?

I’ve watched UConn a lot this year. Edey will eat Klingon alive. 

[TheWatShot]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Lost their leader in the first half.  Haven’t been the same since 

They weren't doing a whole lot with him, either. They went almost 6 minutes without scoring before he got hurt. 

[Uspshoosier]

3 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

They weren't doing a whole lot with him, either. They went almost 6 minutes without scoring before he got hurt. 

He locked down Roach and without him in Roach got where he wanted 

[BlueDevil]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

He locked down Roach and without him in Roach got where he wanted 

Terrible and unfortunate for Houston. Have to think they pull it off with a healthy Shead as much as I hate to say. Survive and advance. 

[BannerVille]

48 minutes ago, Demo said:

Or, you could also argue that IU killed it’s program when it had the choice of Sampson or John Beilein and hired the guy who was under NCAA sanctions after leaving his previous program on probation for doing the same stupid $hit and then lying about it when they could have hired 1 of the best coaches in the country who would have killed it here and not incinerated the program while he was at it. I have no sympathy for the Sampson rehabilitation narrative. He 100% deserved it and the decision makers involved deserved more for hiring that creep when they knew that if he committed any violations they would be straight hammered for hiring a sanctioned coach. Zero respect for the guy and less than zero for the decision makers. 

I can't like this post enough times. So sick of people longing for Sampscum. It doesn't matter how minor you think the violations were. When you're on probation, you damn well better keep your nose clean. In fact, that they were minor makes it even worse. All he had to do was NOT send a few meaningless texts, but he couldn't help himself. He isn't the type of man I want associated with IU.

[Hoosierfan2017]

18 minutes ago, BannerVille said:

I can't like this post enough times. So sick of people longing for Sampscum. It doesn't matter how minor you think the violations were. When you're on probation, you damn well better keep your nose clean. In fact, that they were minor makes it even worse. All he had to do was NOT send a few meaningless texts, but he couldn't help himself. He isn't the type of man I want associated with IU.

This is why IU is in the position that IU is in. College coaches were orchestrating dufflebags full of cash and IU gave itself the death penalty over text messages and phone calls. Sampson was playing big boy recruiting but IU would rather play in the minor leagues while touting its morality. 

[JSHoosier]

5 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

This is why IU is in the position that IU is in. College coaches were orchestrating dufflebags full of cash and IU gave itself the death penalty over text messages and phone calls. Sampson was playing big boy recruiting but IU would rather play in the minor leagues while touting its morality. 

IU should've played dumb just like any serious program would've done, force the NCAA to do it's job; the NCAA might be led by bigger clowns than IU is. Instead they did the dumbest thing possible and nuked their own program.

[Stuhoo]

7 hours ago, BannerVille said:

I can't like this post enough times. So sick of people longing for Sampscum. It doesn't matter how minor you think the violations were. When you're on probation, you damn well better keep your nose clean. In fact, that they were minor makes it even worse. All he had to do was NOT send a few meaningless texts, but he couldn't help himself. He isn't the type of man I want associated with IU.

Beyond the violations, he brought in players of such low character that had no business representing IU. 

[Dave from Dayton]

8 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

This is why IU is in the position that IU is in. College coaches were orchestrating dufflebags full of cash and IU gave itself the death penalty over text messages and phone calls. Sampson was playing big boy recruiting but IU would rather play in the minor leagues while touting its morality. 

Since 'everybody' is cheating...let's cheat too.  At an institute of higher learning, this is what we should be teaching students and professing to the world.  Right?  Uh...no.

IU hired a very good coach that had cheated and was on probation.  A very controversial hire at the time.   I do believe that forgiveness is quite wonderful in many ways.  And allowing people to start anew after a fall is a blessing and an opportunity.  I am not saying that IU should not have hired Coach Sampson.

IU did not trust but verify.  Quality Control and Quality Assurance were not adequate at IU. Coach Sampson made those impermissible calls while on probation.  He was helped by some of his assistants.  (Not Dan Dock Itch by the way.)  

Should IU have fallen on it's own sword?  Or should IU have turned it's head and ignored the fact that Sampson cheated while on probation?  Should IU have fired Sampson and stonewalled the NCAA and the media?  Is the coverup always worse than the incidents?  Should IU be another cheating institution teaching that to students?  Is it ok to cheat and lie?

Some of the players had issues, too.  Pretending that they were not doing drugs and excellent students...representing IU well is not correct.

That IU could have handled this fiasco better is not in doubt.  But revisionist history is not helping.  And how do we become better citizens and brothers and sisters to others in our community and in the world?

Teachers and professors and administers of public institutions are keepers of the public trust.  Tax dollars go to public schools.  A much higher standard is in place for those that are responsible not only for public funds but to students and 'We The People".  

Is winning the most important thing?  

All of the above is not why IU has not had good basketball for the last 2+ decades.  Bad decisions at the top about management of the men's basketball at IU is.  Good morals are not the issue.  Good basketball program management is the issue.  

[steubenhoosier]

34 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Beyond the violations, he brought in players of such low character that had no business representing IU. 

And that was my point completely.

We had pot dealers, pot smokers, and pot throwers… so pretty much covered the spectrum there.

We had guys who had no interest going to class. 
 

For people who defend Sampson and use the excuse that everyone else was doing it, or his discretions aren’t illegal anymore…

He was the head of the Rules Committee while at Oklahoma. He got busted for breaking the rules there. He knew the rules. There were no ambiguities, or at least shouldn’t have been.

Yep, pot is much more accepted now. Yep, the phone rules were changed. However that’s in hindsight. He didn’t function properly under the rules as they were at the time.