College Bball Thread

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Rothstein - Minnesota's Isaiah Inhen will undergo knee surgery and miss the 22-23 season, per release. Brutal news. Inhen missed all of last season with an injury to the same knee.

[HoosierHoopster]

3 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Rothstein - Minnesota's Isaiah Inhen will undergo knee surgery and miss the 22-23 season, per release. Brutal news. Inhen missed all of last season with an injury to the same knee.

Hate to see that happen to anyone. Memories of Maurice Creek, one of the highest scoring freshman before his first knee injury.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Hot take(maybe? I don't know)

Eastern Michigan is a dark horse to win the MAC IF, and only IF Emoni Bates can play even remotely close to his hype. 

[TheWatShot]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Hot take(maybe? I don't know)

Eastern Michigan is a dark horse to win the MAC IF, and only IF Emoni Bates can play even remotely close to his hype. 

There are guys in the MAC who don't belong in D-1. If Bates is anywhere close to his hype, EMU would probably win it easily. 

[str8baller]

8 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Rothstein - Minnesota's Isaiah Inhen will undergo knee surgery and miss the 22-23 season, per release. Brutal news. Inhen missed all of last season with an injury to the same knee.

Such a demoralizer to miss two straight seasons. Hopefully he can bounce back. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

There are guys in the MAC who don't belong in D-1. If Bates is anywhere close to his hype, EMU would probably win it easily. 

I remember the EMU forum last year... And then remember how close that game came to Archie Era 2.0... it'll be interesting to see how he does but man... He just wasn't ready for organized basketball. 

[Demo]

Trying not to be hyperbolic here, but this may be the single bone-stupidest basketball take I have ever read. Yeah, what fan of the game wants to be subjected to beautifully run 4-out motion with all sorts of cool little wrinkles?
Are you insane?!?

[HoosierHoopster]

21 hours ago, str8baller said:

He was pretty bad with the ball as a frosh. If it were “fine man” he’d have handled the ball as a freshman instead of Verdell (a walking bad decision machine) and Hulls (couldn’t beat anyone off the dribble).  I forgot Jerimiah Rivers was on that team as a ball handler too until I looked it up…lol. 
 

I think the success of the later teams makes people forget how bad that team was. They were awful. I’m curious as to what you think kept him off the floor on a bad team if it weren’t for him being able to handle the ball? 

No, Vic wasn’t a point, that’s the point. And he wasn’t kept off the floot?? Did you even watch those teams? I’m sorry but this is ridiculous 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 hours ago, Demo said:

Trying not to be hyperbolic here, but this may be the single bone-stupidest basketball take I have ever read. Yeah, what fan of the game wants to be subjected to beautifully run 4-out motion with all sorts of cool little wrinkles?
Are you insane?!?

Hmmm... Mine would be... Villanova would never have won another championship if the Big East didn't break up. And realignment has GREATLY hurt college basketball. 

[str8baller]

8 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

No, Vic wasn’t a point, that’s the point. And he wasn’t kept off the floot?? Did you even watch those teams? I’m sorry but this is ridiculous 

Yes. Every game, unfortunately.  I think you’ve lost the plot somewhere. You just admitted “Vic wasn’t a point.” (Yet, he turned into one in the pro’s…hhhmmm). Now think about it and ask yourself “why?” I think you’ll figure it out pretty quickly. 
 

Here’s a hint: it wasn’t because Verdell Jones and Austin Rivers were good point guards who took care of the ball. 

[Honkyman]

2 hours ago, str8baller said:

 I think you’ve lost the plot somewhere.

This all began with the ridiculous statement that Victor Oladipo could barely dribble when he arrived at IU. No one disputes that he greatly improved over his three years in college--arguably as much as any IU player in memory. But the initial statement that he could barely dribble is a ridiculous point for anyone to try to defend. It would have been better to admit that it was a gross exaggeration meant to underscore the point that he improved rather than to try to defend the indefensible.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Let's change the subject.  Slick Rick facing new NCAA allegations.

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/Louisville-basketball-recruiting-violations-NCAA-reportedly-issued-new-Rick-Pitino-Brian-Bowen-allegations-190864947/?fbclid=IwAR29WPXvuh_jJoD-yruEX1DdYZRkMRwErfqe9Twqp_6eQ7TWoP2iF0t0nvI

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Let's change the subject.  Slick Rick facing new NCAA allegations.

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/Article/Louisville-basketball-recruiting-violations-NCAA-reportedly-issued-new-Rick-Pitino-Brian-Bowen-allegations-190864947/?fbclid=IwAR29WPXvuh_jJoD-yruEX1DdYZRkMRwErfqe9Twqp_6eQ7TWoP2iF0t0nvI

[HoosierHoopster]

6 hours ago, str8baller said:

Yes. Every game, unfortunately.  I think you’ve lost the plot somewhere. You just admitted “Vic wasn’t a point.” (Yet, he turned into one in the pro’s…hhhmmm). Now think about it and ask yourself “why?” I think you’ll figure it out pretty quickly. 
 

Here’s a hint: it wasn’t because Verdell Jones and Austin Rivers were good point guards who took care of the ball. 

I honestly have no idea why you're pursuing this ridiculous argument. Right, newsflash, Vic was NOT a point guard, he was a 2/off guard, he was not a primary ball handler in high school or college, and you think that supports this ridiculous, senseless argument that he could barely dribble?? Why you continue this inanity is beyond me man. And I'm not buying you watched the team then, or you (hopefully) would not pursue this ridiculous argument. That's all I can stand, I'm out of this.

[Hovadipo]

A little pre-Feast Week treat. 

[TheWatShot]

I'll believe that game is at Gonzaga when I see them tipping off on a court that says Gonzaga on it. Still plenty of time for Cal to "negotiate" to have it moved to the nearest NBA arena. 

[HoosierHoops1]

2 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I'll believe that game is at Gonzaga when I see them tipping off on a court that says Gonzaga on it. Still plenty of time for Cal to "negotiate" to have it moved to the nearest NBA arena. 

Is Key Arena still a viable venue?

[LIHoosier]

13 minutes ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

Is Key Arena still a viable venue?

The Kraken in the NHL use it now, its called Climate Pledge Arena.

[DChoosier]

On 7/27/2022 at 10:38 AM, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Zeller has really became super underrated for some reason. I guess people feel he should have been way better. I don't know. I don't know. I think if Crean would have done some things differently he could have dominated more. But the narrative around him is just weird to me. 

I agree.
As a Sophomore Zeller was surrounded by Yogi, Hulls, Victor, C-Wat etc (ie other guys that could put it in the hole) so he did not need to be the focus of the offense to the degree that TJD, as an example, had to be.

It’s not as if Zeller scored 8 points a game and was forgotten due to Creans ineptness. In spite of  a great supporting cast as a Sophomore Zeller was the highest scoring big man in the BT, first team all BT, on multiple All American teams and ended up being the 4th pick in the draft. Not shabby for a second year player. Am I saying he was always used perfectly? Absolutely not but things certainly worked out for him and the team (until the Cuse).

[BGleas]

12 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

I agree.
As a Sophomore Zeller was surrounded by Yogi, Hulls, Victor, C-Wat etc (ie other guys that could put it in the hole) so he did not need to be the focus of the offense to the degree that TJD, as an example, had to be.

It’s not as if Zeller scored 8 points a game and was forgotten due to Creans ineptness. In spite of  a great supporting cast as a Sophomore Zeller was the highest scoring big man in the BT, first team all BT, on multiple All American teams and ended up being the 4th pick in the draft. Not shabby for a second year player. Am I saying he was always used perfectly? Absolutely not but things certainly worked out for him and the team (until the Cuse).

I actually don't get all the talk about Crean not using Zeller right? How was he supposed to use him that he didn't?

Zeller is an extremely athletic big man that can't shoot and doesn't really have above average post moves. 

Crean built a fast-paced offense that utilized Zeller's end-to-end speed, athleticism and bball IQ. We often gave Zeller the ball at the top of the key to break down bigger, more plodding bigs and used his IQ with surrounding with shooters, etc.

The guy averaged 15.6ppg as a freshmen and over 16ppg as a sophomore on a team that had another All-American on it.