Michigan Coach Dusty May to Dallas Mavs

[AH1971]

21 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yes and the administration pre-Dolson is the reason why.  

Nil is our chance to battle on an nearly even playing field.  They gave Woodson top 10-20 money for roster.  They are giving DeVries and actually trying to win.  
 

The admin didn’t care about winning for a long time.  Sampson could have been a generational coach here under the right administration.  
 

So, really we are only on Coach 2 post NIL. Can’t really count the stuff before that especially if trying to blame fans again. 

Overpaying for a bunch of mercenaries is very year isn’t going to change much.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Overpaying for a bunch of mercenaries is very year isn’t going to change much.

 

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

Overpaying for a bunch of mercenaries is very year isn’t going to change much.

Having near equal resources to compete is basically a minimal standard.  Then getting a coach with a Vision and a plan is the next step.   What did Michigan just do for 2 seasons with Dusty May?  What do you want to call that?  He’s not the only one.  Florida under Golden. The examples go on and on if you need them.  Same idea. 

[AH1971]

59 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Having near equal resources to compete is basically a minimal standard.  Then getting a coach with a Vision and a plan is the next step.   What did Michigan just do for 2 seasons with Dusty May?  What do you want to call that?  He’s not the only one.  Florida under Golden. The examples go on and on if you need them.  Same idea. 

Except Todd Golden didn’t do that. He recruited a bunch of 3* talent and found fits in the portal from lower level schools, took his lumps the first few years, developed the hell out of them and then BOOM. But we don’t want to do that. Win now or else.

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

Yeah, it's crazy how so many of those coaches went on to great success once they got away from the glowing swamp surrounding AH. Those, not fired for blowing up the program and given a 5 year show cause penalty, have went on to stack up 0 NCAA tournament wins. That's kind of an unfair stat by me though as 3 of those 4 haven't made a single tournament since leaving IU.  

I guess that IU toxiciy is like herpes, once you've got it, you've got it.

Where coaches go to die. Why the applicant pool gets worse every cycle. Thanks again for making my point.

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

That you think coaches are run out by fans is incomprehensible.

It’s not. Lose the fan base here, you’re done. It doesn’t take long.

[AH1971]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

Yeah, it's crazy how so many of those coaches went on to great success once they got away from the glowing swamp surrounding AH. Those, not fired for blowing up the program and given a 5 year show cause penalty, have went on to stack up 0 NCAA tournament wins. That's kind of an unfair stat by me though as 3 of those 4 haven't made a single tournament since leaving IU.  

I guess that IU toxiciy is like herpes, once you've got it, you've got it.

Also, this isn’t the NBA where you can fail upwards (see Mike Brown). You get fired from a mediocre program like IU, your chances of landing at a bigger gig are slim to none. What Tom Crean did at Georgia is irrelevant and does nothing to discredit his F4 at Marquette or two B10 titles at IU…literal brain dead logic there. Les Miles won a national title at LSU and won 2 games in 3 years at Kansas. Who cares?

[Stuhoo]

32 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

It’s not. Lose the fan base here, you’re done. It doesn’t take long.

Or you could be like Steve Pikell at Rutger… “Lose the fanbase yet you’re not done for a very long while.”

[Home Jersey]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Where coaches go to die. Why the applicant pool gets worse every cycle. Thanks again for making my point.

Has the applicant pool really gotten worse?

DDV was at WVU, IU took another P5 school's coach. Archie had a lot of national hype at the time he was hired.

The cycle where Woodson was hired seems like the anomaly where we hired a candidate nobody else would've. And people can make their own interpretations as to why before and after Woodson, IU was able to hire coaches that were considered rising stars or already at P5 like DeVries, Crean, Sampson

[str8baller]

9 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

Whose fault is it some understand basketball enough to see how bad of a college coach CMW was long before you could?

Bingo. 
 

Insert Davis.

Insert Crean.

Insert Archie. 
 

Unfortunately, the IU basketball administration isn’t, or hasn’t been, any smarter than the IU message board cheerleaders. Some might say an ominous sign. A failed 25 year experiment, at least. 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Bingo. 
 

Insert Davis.

Insert Crean.

Insert Archie. 
 

Unfortunately, the IU basketball administration isn’t, or hasn’t been, any smarter than the IU message board cheerleaders. Some might say an ominous sign. A failed 25 year experiment, at least. 

One of these things is not like the other.

Crean rebuilt IU from the ashes of Sampsongate, won B1G titles, took us to multiple SW16’s, gave us Yogi, Cody, Vic, Wat, OG, etc. He wasn’t a great basketball mind but he doesn’t belong in the discontent over the abomination of coaching that was CMW or the failure of CAM

[Golfman25]

7 hours ago, AH1971 said:

You think the toxicity around this program started with Woodson? There's a reason why IU is on coach #7 this century.

Yeah, piss poor decision making from the top.  High performing coaches are few, but easy to model.  IU has almost purposely hired the wrong guy because they didn’t want another Bob Knight, bigger than the program guy.   

[str8baller]

10 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

One of these things is not like the other.

Crean rebuilt IU from the ashes of Sampsongate, won B1G titles, took us to multiple SW16’s, gave us Yogi, Cody, Vic, Wat, OG, etc. He wasn’t a great basketball mind but he doesn’t belong in the discontent over the abomination of coaching that was CMW or the failure of CAM

You would get this analogy question wrong on the SAT. 
 

They were all flawed coaches doomed for failure by those flaws. Some could see it. Others would point to S16s and conf titles as a sign of potential future success. Some still do. 

[AH1971]

36 minutes ago, str8baller said:

They were all flawed coaches doomed for failure by those flaws. Some could see it. Others would point to S16s and conf titles as a sign of potential future success. Some still do. 

So IU is too good for conference titles and S16's? Noted

Like I said, this fanbase is dumb and delusional.

[JSHoosier]

16 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

So are you saying you are 'team bad hire" and not "team coach destroyed by BTBers?"

Well I find it pretty hard to believe random posters on a message board are the reason Miller is sub 500 and never finished better than 10th in conference at Rhode Island.

[jermhoosierfan]

10 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Yeah, piss poor decision making from the top.  High performing coaches are few, but easy to model.  IU has almost purposely hired the wrong guy because they didn’t want another Bob Knight, bigger than the program guy.   

When Knight was canned, the admin wanted to assert control over the BBall program because they hated Knight.  They had a chance to replace him with Pitino that next season but kept Davis instead.  They didn't want another person bigger than the school, and they knew how much it would drive a dagger into Knight that a former assistant of his would replace him. They were more worried about their own egos than winning.

[Stuhoo]

44 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Well I find it pretty hard to believe random posters on a message board are the reason Miller is sub 500 and never finished better than 10th in conference at Rhode Island.

Rhode Island fans are toxic too?

[Kentuckysucks]

45 minutes ago, jermhoosierfan said:

When Knight was canned, the admin wanted to assert control over the BBall program because they hated Knight.  They had a chance to replace him with Pitino that next season but kept Davis instead.  They didn't want another person bigger than the school, and they knew how much it would drive a dagger into Knight that a former assistant of his would replace him. They were more worried about their own egos than winning.

It was more than just that.  If Treloar had been the interim coach he's almost certainly out after 1 year.  But certain BOT members were pushing heavily to make Davis the permanent coach and were planning to make life hell for the rest of the administration if he was not purely out of partisan reasons.

[jermhoosierfan]

4 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

It was more than just that.  If Treloar had been the interim coach he's almost certainly out after 1 year.  But certain BOT members were pushing heavily to make Davis the permanent coach and were planning to make life hell for the rest of the administration if he was not purely out of partisan reasons.

I heard the story second hand while working in Bloomington a year or 2 later.  You can tell by the reaction Pat Knight had to Davis being named that part of it was to make them angry.  The BOT had a legacy to keep up with Buckner also it looks like.

[go iu bb]

52 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Rhode Island fans are toxic too?

No, IU fans are just so toxic that the toxicity continues to affect the coach after they leave. It also spills over into other programs. Look what IU fan toxicity did to UK last year. 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, jermhoosierfan said:

When Knight was canned, the admin wanted to assert control over the BBall program because they hated Knight.  They had a chance to replace him with Pitino that next season but kept Davis instead.  They didn't want another person bigger than the school, and they knew how much it would drive a dagger into Knight that a former assistant of his would replace him. They were more worried about their own egos than winning.

Sorry to derail this train from its path that’s already off the rails.  But It’s interesting how the admin has embraced Cig he’s clearly the face of the university.  PW and SD have embraced it and looked to the benefits versus just the drawbacks of having a famous coach.  
 

And that healthy relationship with them has caused him to shower them with praise and use his contract to help protect them.