Michigan Coach Dusty May to Dallas Mavs

[IUguy77]

42 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Coaching the Mavericks isn't a pressure cooker job lol. It's in a football town and arguably the 4th most popular franchise in the Megaplex, especially when the Stars are good. The Mavericks were terrible last year and I will assure you nobody was harassing Jason Kidd and his family, let alone sending him death threats.

BS. National media constantly talks about the Mavericks because of Cooper Flagg just as they did because of Luka. It don’t take long to get on hot seat in NBA. Just because fans don’t pressure the same as college doesn’t mean it still isn’t huge pressure. Now he’s the head of a team that cost hundreds of millions of dollars are year in contracts. And if a star player doesn’t like you guess who they get rid of. 

[AH1971]

30 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

BS. National media constantly talks about the Mavericks because of Cooper Flagg just as they did because of Luka. It don’t take long to get on hot seat in NBA. Just because fans don’t pressure the same as college doesn’t mean it still isn’t huge pressure. Now he’s the head of a team that cost hundreds of millions of dollars are year in contracts. And if a star player doesn’t like you guess who they get rid of. 

And how much blame did Jason Kidd take for all of that? None. NBA fans go after upper management, head coaches are low on the totem pole. Getting fired from an NBA head coaching position is a right of passage, 95% of them are expendable, these guys aren't getting harassed in public after a loss. If you think an NBA head coach receives an ounce of the vitriol the way Calipari, Woodson, etc did you don't have a clue. Coaching in the NBA is a picnic compared to coaching at Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, etc in terms of stress level.

Mike Brown has been fired 4 different times as an NBA head coach and was like the Knicks 6th or 7th option and yet just won a championship in year 1. Unless you're a Phil Jackson or a Popovic, you're not a figurehead of the organization in which you coach. 

[Home Jersey]

42 minutes ago, ronzo4IU said:

I would love to grab Thiam if any chance in he!!

I think adding anyone from UM is a long shot. That said, if any of them have mutual interest, I'd think it would be Estrella since we were previously on him. 

[IUguy77]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

And how much blame did Jason Kidd take for all of that? None. NBA fans go after upper management, head coaches are low on the totem pole. Getting fired from an NBA head coaching position is a right of passage, these guys aren't getting harassed in public after a loss.  

He still got fired didn’t he. So did Mike Malone one year after winning a title. So did Thibidoe one year after going to conference finals. The whole fan harassment **** it college is so overblown. Blah blah blah so and so got death threats yet we never hear of anyone being arrested for it. Usually  means a shitty coaching is playing victim  because he sucks at his job. Dusty May wasn’t scared of IU and pressure. He didn’t come to IU because they kept Woodson and didn’t offer him. Anyone that believe different is as dumb as you. 

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, IUguy77 said:

He still got fired didn’t he. So did Mike Malone one year after winning a title. So did Thibidoe one year after going to conference finals. The whole fan harassment **** it college is so overblown. Blah blah blah so and so got death threats yet we never hear of anyone being arrested for it. Usually  means a shitty coaching is playing victim  because he sucks at his job. Dusty May wasn’t scared of IU and pressure. He didn’t come to IU because they kept Woodson and didn’t offer him. Anyone that believe different is as dumb as you. 

Refrain from making personal attacks if you wish to continue posting on the board.

And yes, May was never intimidated by a "high pressure" job or IU specifically. His ambition is to coach in the NBA and the timing didn't work out for him and IU. IU wasn't a big enough draw for him. Oh well, he's not in the conference anymore. No need to relitigate that process... we are where we are. And May no longer being at UM is good news.

[AH1971]

12 minutes ago, IUguy77 said:

He still got fired didn’t he. So did Mike Malone one year after winning a title. So did Thibidoe one year after going to conference finals. The whole fan harassment **** it college is so overblown. Blah blah blah so and so got death threats yet we never hear of anyone being arrested for it. Usually  means a shitty coaching is playing victim  because he sucks at his job. Dusty May wasn’t scared of IU and pressure. He didn’t come to IU because they kept Woodson and didn’t offer him. Anyone that believe different is as dumb as you. 

If Dusty May wanted to be at IU, he would be at IU lol. "Dream Job",  my a**. 

[Stuhoo]

35 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

If Dusty May wanted to be at IU, he would be at IU lol. "Dream Job",  my a**. 

Occam's Razor - the most obvious, logical explanation is usually the correct one. So in this case? The year Dusty was moving up to a big time job Woodson was still at IU. After getting that big time job IU would have been a lateral move at best. The timing just didn't work. 

Now an NBA job came up, and with a potentially generational player as that franchise's cornerstone. And the NBA is quite simply just a better job than a major college gig, especially with the current chaotic, illogical college situation and for a guy that already reached the mountaintop as a college coach.

[AH1971]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Occam's Razor - the most obvious, logical explanation is usually the correct one. So in this case? The year Dusty was moving up to a big time job Woodson was still at IU. After getting that big time job IU would have been a lateral move at best. The timing just didn't work. 

Now an NBA job came up, and with a potentially generational player as that franchise's cornerstone. And the NBA is quite simply just a better job than a major college gig, especially with the current chaotic, illogical college situation and for a guy that already reached the mountaintop as a college coach.

Coaches who would "crawl to jobs" (as many on here have put it) usually don't pass them up, no? Anybody with a pulse knew Mike Woodson was on borrowed time...nobody forced May to take the Michigan job just like nobody forced May to stay at Michigan once the Indiana job was actually open. If Dusty May wanted to be at Indiana....he would be at Indiana. 

Reality is that May took the better job and would have still taken the better job had Indiana and Michigan both been open simultaneously. Indiana is where coaches go to die. Michigan has all the resources and then some and an administration willing to turn a blind eye to any and all rule bending/breaking. Michigan is the Indiana job....without the immense fan scrutiny and delusional expectations. 

[Stuhoo]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Coaches who would "crawl to jobs" (as many on here have put it) usually don't pass them up, no? Anybody with a pulse knew Mike Woodson was on borrowed time...nobody forced May to take the Michigan job just like nobody forced May to stay at Michigan once the Indiana job was actually open. If Dusty May wanted to be at Indiana....he would be at Indiana. 

Reality is that May took the better job and would have still taken the better job had Indiana and Michigan both been open simultaneously. Indiana is where coaches go to die. Michigan has all the resources and then some and an administration willing to turn a blind eye to any and all rule bending/breaking. Michigan is the Indiana job....without the immense fan scrutiny and delusional expectations. 

Too angry a take for me. Sure, if Dusty wanted to be at IU he would have waited, but with no guarantee of Woodson's exit day. He was already done with FAU, the IU job was not open that year, and he got an offer that was about as good as it gets with UM. When the IU job actually opened he was not going to leave UM after one year.

Also, at the point the IU job actually opened up he already understood that the college game is a mess and the NBA is a world's better gig. 

[Pagoda]

17 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Coaches who would "crawl to jobs" (as many on here have put it) usually don't pass them up, no? Anybody with a pulse knew Mike Woodson was on borrowed time...nobody forced May to take the Michigan job just like nobody forced May to stay at Michigan once the Indiana job was actually open. If Dusty May wanted to be at Indiana....he would be at Indiana. 

Reality is that May took the better job and would have still taken the better job had Indiana and Michigan both been open simultaneously. Indiana is where coaches go to die. Michigan has all the resources and then some and an administration willing to turn a blind eye to any and all rule bending/breaking. Michigan is the Indiana job....without the immense fan scrutiny and delusional expectations. 

IU was preseason #17 in 2024.  Quinn was Chairman. It was far from a forgone conclusion the IU job was opening anytime soon.

If IU is where “coaches go to die” and as you’ve said success here is impossible because of the fanbase (wrong, but your view), I still don’t know why you bother to follow the team or worry about the roster.  After all, we are DOA every year, so who cares.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

IU was preseason #17 in 2024.  Quinn was Chairman. It was far from a forgone conclusion the IU job was opening anytime soon.

If IU is where “coaches go to die” and as you’ve said success here is impossible because of the fanbase (wrong, but your view), I still don’t know why you bother to follow the team or worry about the roster.  After all, we are DOA every year, so who cares.

Too invested to stop following a team I've been watching since the early 60's. I just call it like I see it.

[Home Jersey]

23 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Anybody with a pulse knew Mike Woodson was on borrowed time...

Is this you admitting to not having a pulse? ;) 

For real though... odd take from the fiercest Mike Woodson defender this board has seen. The only one I recall adamantly saying he deserved a 4th year, lol

I do agree it's laughable that May, or any coach, would "crawl" to IU or any college job these days, really.

[Stuhoo]

Just now, AH1971 said:

Too invested to stop following a team I've been watching since the early 60's. I just call it like I see it.

If IUFB wasn't really ever DOA, then IUBB sure as hell isn't.

[AH1971]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

If IUFB wasn't really ever DOA, then IUBB sure as hell isn't.

For the record, I've never called IU basketball DOA. It is certainly possible to have a long and successful career here. But IU isn't going to get to that level over night and a good portion of the fan base isn't ready to admit that.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Is this you admitting to not having a pulse? ;) 

For real though... odd take from the fiercest Mike Woodson defender this board has seen. The only one I recall adamantly saying he deserved a 4th year, lol

I do agree it's laughable that May, or any coach, would "crawl" to IU or any college job these days, really.

I believed Mike Woodson deserved a 4th year. Despite my belief, he had already lost the fanbase by then and when you lose the fanbase here, you aren't long for this world.

Both things can be true. 

[Pagoda]

14 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

For the record, I've never called IU basketball DOA. It is certainly possible to have a long and successful career here. But IU isn't going to get to that level over night and a good portion of the fan base isn't ready to admit that.

You have.  See below.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

You have.  See below.

I get being very skeptical.  I get being negative to some extent.  But at some point if you think things are extremely bad what’s the point of following it?

Uh context? IU was the preeminent #1 college basketball program in the country from ~1975 to 1990 led by the best coach in the game. Yeah, we aren't seeing that again in my lifetime. I'm almost 80.

There's zero reason why IU still can't have a successful basketball program that consistently wins. It starts by not wanting to run the coach off after his 2nd season because he isn't Bobby Knight. IU isn't going to lift the status quo until it builds some continuity. But you knew that.

[Stuhoo]

19 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I believed Mike Woodson deserved a 4th year. Despite my belief, he had already lost the fanbase by then and when you lose the fanbase here, you aren't long for this world.

Both things can be true. 

 

6 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

You have.  See below.

Reads like we're up to 'four things can be true'.   ;}

[ronzo4IU]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

I think adding anyone from UM is a long shot. That said, if any of them have mutual interest, I'd think it would be Estrella since we were previously on him. 

I'd take him too!

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Also, at the point the IU job actually opened up he already understood that the college game is a mess and the NBA is a world's better gig. 

I still think it’s personality driven. Scheyer and Hurley could have pro jobs and probably better ones than the Mavs. But they’re staying in college.  
 

You can count me as one who is a little surprised May jumped this early at that job. For all the talk of “Dream jobs,” the only thing we know for sure is Michigan wasn’t it for May.