Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[CSP]

12 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

The point the Debbie downers were trying to make was basically our roster isn’t as good as it could be because we didn’t spend money. (Paraphrasing here)

Regardless, this roster looks solid by all accounts, especially on the shooting front. If our main weakness is “rim protection” I can live with that in year 1 of a “tear it down to the studs” rebuild.

So we might not be a perfect "rim protecting" team or "rebounding" team.... we were absolutely pathetic rebounding this past year, so that doesn't worry me in the least bit.... 

Really... Trey Kaufmann is about the only individual who really worries me. 

And he'll have to guard TDV on the other end, and the South Dakota kid will have to guard Bailey. I like that. 

[str8baller]

8 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

The gets are “overpays”

That’s how a market works.  
 

This is exactly how the market works in something like NFL free agency, which is basically an open bidding market with teams having variable amounts of money available.

1) You have to be the highest bidder, thus every signee is an “overpay” 

2) it is always cheaper to keep your own players. Sometimes you get a hometown discount, but mostly because guys prefer not to move and you just wait to see what the market is and match it.  It’s why even in the NFL you need to build through things like the draft. 
 

#2 is why guys like edey and Braden smith ultimately stay at Purdue despite fielding some huge offers. The best big time players don’t hit the market and it’s why teams go heavy after mid majors. 
 

People that were expecting a top ten NIL to translate to a top ten roster year one were simply unprepared for how the process would unfold. Teams that change coaches are at a disadvantage especially if they’re not bringing over a bunch of players from their old team. Apparently Dolson understood this and moved quickly to get CDD in early for a reason. 

[Pagoda]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

That’s how a market works.  

This is exactly how the market works in something like NFL free agency, which is basically an open bidding market with teams having variable amounts of money available.

1) You have to be the highest bidder, thus every signee is an “overpay” 

2) it is always cheaper to keep your own players. Sometimes you get a hometown discount, but mostly because guys prefer not to move and you just wait to see what the market is and match it.  It’s why even in the NFL you need to build through things like the draft. 

#2 is why guys like edey and Braden smith ultimately stay at Purdue despite fielding some huge offers. The best big time players don’t hit the market and it’s why teams go heavy after mid majors. 

People that were expecting a top ten NIL to translate to a top ten roster year one were simply unprepared for how the process would unfold. Teams that change coaches are at a disadvantage especially if they’re not bringing over a bunch of players from their old team. Apparently Dolson understood this and moved quickly to get CDD in early for a reason. 

Well said.  On #1, if you're a very good coach at an amazing program you can probably get a small discount in some instances (selling development, winning, and exposure in place of money), but it won't be much.  With IU and CDD starting from scratch, I think we could win some battles where the money was even, but winning as the #2 or #3 bid would be tough at this stage.

Also, we really don't know who we "overpaid" or got a great deal for until these players play the friggin' games!

[Okram]

If you overpay a little bit to get the guys you want and have targeted to make sure you get them..good.  For the most part, every power 5 team can afford all but the top handful of guys.  Name of the game. 
 

Then you have to prove you targeted the right guys…good. 

Edited May 1 by Okram

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, Juwan Moye said:

I tried explaining this in vain earlier in the thread.

A guy like PJ Haggerty, who is really good, reportedly turned down $3m from Memphis as he was asking for $4m. Ole Miss reportedly offered him $3.5m.

So the idea that all-conference mid major guys like Bailey or Conerway are making $1m+ should be pretty easy to see why this is the case. Conerway especially given he was the Sun Belt POY, really excited to have him.

PJ Haggerty was an All-American last year...one of the best scorers in the country, and likely one of the top 2-3 returning players in college basketball. Of course there is going to be a premium for his services, he's literally the one setting the market. He's the best player in the portal.

I don't have a problem with paying $1.5-2mil for a starting center in the B10 as that is likely the going rate. I just don't value Bailey as a 5. He's a wing/point forward type player who grew several inches towards the end of high school which defensively made him a "5" at the collegiate level. He was recruited to a program/coach that has historically played a 5 out offense that's tailored to his skillset. If we're paying market rate for a 5, I would have hoped it addressed our one glaring need...nothing more, nothing less. All an opinion of course.

[Juwan Moye]

14 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

So we might not be a perfect "rim protecting" team or "rebounding" team.... we were absolutely pathetic rebounding this past year, so that doesn't worry me in the least bit.... 

Really... Trey Kaufmann is about the only individual who really worries me. 

And he'll have to guard TDV on the other end, and the South Dakota kid will have to guard Bailey. I like that. 

Yep, that's been my thought as well. If some team plays some back to the basket big that's tough to stop, and he may also be a rim protector, he gets nullified by having to guard Bailey out on the perimeter. So we have Conerway able to facilitate a 5-out offense while likely having 3 elite shooters out on the wing. We may see a lot of similarities to 2023-2024 Alabama, just potentially not as fast-paced depending on if coach is actually committed to getting shots up early which he hasn't necessarily done with consistency before.

[Stuhoo]

Lots of offense options. Will we have assembled an Alabama-level roster, or will we have assembled an Iowa-level roster?

Anyone who says they already know is guessing. Gonna be pretty fun to find out.

[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

Yep, that's been my thought as well. If some team plays some back to the basket big that's tough to stop, and he may also be a rim protector, he gets nullified by having to guard Bailey out on the perimeter. So we have Conerway able to facilitate a 5-out offense while likely having 3 elite shooters out on the wing. We may see a lot of similarities to 2023-2024 Alabama, just potentially not as fast-paced depending on if coach is actually committed to getting shots up early which he hasn't necessarily done with consistency before.

Yes back to the basket bigs is a cause for concern, but equally important, I don't think a combination of Wilkerson, Miles/Dorn, and DeVries 2-4 inspires a great deal of confidence guarding out on the perimeter either. That's why, in my opinion, the need for a true rim protector is so great. I think Conerway is a good on-ball defender who should be able to hold his own at this level and Enright will certainly scrap his way to making some stands, but overall this roster on paper seems like a rather poor defensive team as a whole. A solid rebounding rim protector alleviates some of those issues. 

[CSP]

36 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Lots of offense options. Will we have assembled an Alabama-level roster, or will we have assembled an Iowa-level roster?

Anyone who says they already know is guessing. Gonna be pretty fun to find out.

We aren't Bama.... but we have more athleticism and length, especially off the bench, than I remember many Iowa teams having. 

[HoosierInParadise]

I am sure what is missing in most people's minds is the idea that we might have a coach that can actually coach his team up, improve the skills of his players, and make everyone better. IU hasn't had a coach who is capable of improving his team in quite some time. I am excited to see how these players come together and improve over the course of the season. It should be fun to watch.

[sirhoosierlot]

11 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That’s kinda my point. We went cheap. “Overpaid” for unheralded guys versus just spending big, imo. No way we spent 10 million on this roster.


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What roster would you have assembled if you could?

[CSP]

15 minutes ago, HoosierInParadise said:

I am sure what is missing in most people's minds is the idea that we might have a coach that can actually coach his team up, improve the skills of his players, and make everyone better. IU hasn't had a coach who is capable of improving his team in quite some time. I am excited to see how these players come together and improve over the course of the season. It should be fun to watch.

What if we were mentally tough? That'd be a fantastic change. 

[Scotty R]

We might not have great individual defenders but hopefully we can be a good team defense.

I also heard Wilkerson's high school coach talking about Wilkerson being a very good defender and was named the states best defender. He thinks that Wilkerson will be a very good defender at IU 

[Juwan Moye]

42 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

We aren't Bama.... but we have more athleticism and length, especially off the bench, than I remember many Iowa teams having. 

Yeah, I should’ve clarified: I’m not saying this is a final four caliber team, just that I’m expecting more “running and gunning”, so Iowa may be a more apt comparison. 
 

We all seem to agree that this team should be solid on the offensive end, which is already a big deal given our last 8 years, the questions are just around how coach can get the most out of these guys on the defensive end. Hopefully he’s running some Kelvin Sampson style practices.

[HoosierInParadise]

What if we were mentally tough? That'd be a fantastic change. 

I agree...it would make a huge difference in getting the most out of the team. Results should follow...

[Hardwood83]

46 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

What if we were mentally tough? That'd be a fantastic change. 

Yes it would! I would add playing smart would be refreshing. The idiotic decisions got so tiresome of the last 10yrs. It's easy to blame the coaches, and we should, but all these palyers have been playing year around basketball for 10yrs, how they could still be so dumb is mind-boggling. Tired of watching good teams take good shots and not turning the ball over constantly contrasted with IU playing below rec league level. Also FT shooting! If you are a poor FT shooter it's a character flaw, you are lazy, stupid or both. Prove me wrong. 

Rant over. I still want a defensive center from the transfer portal and with at least one scholarship left can't imagine how that doesn't get done. 

[Iufan71]

Did Trilly have a breakdown on UKs some have said $20 million dollar roster?

[iu eyedoc]

Are we still doing the roster construction/NIL melodramatic histrionics thing today? 

 

Asking for a friend

[Jet812]

17 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Are we still doing the roster construction/NIL melodramatic histrionics thing today? 

 

Asking for a friend

Tell your friend that yes, people discuss roster construction & question/express concerns with NIL allocation & if they can’t handle it to just ignore the thread or start a new one where everyone just high-fives each other all day about our imminent, inevitable, unquestionable success next year.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

We aren't Bama.... but we have more athleticism and length, especially off the bench, than I remember many Iowa teams having. 

And how Iowa played also had a fair amount to do with coaching, it's not just roster.