coonhounds Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 So we're debating if a coach should be nice or mean. Respect vs fear? Talking about knight again? We need to get back to firing woodson who has zero business coaching this program. The end of last season there was like 3 people on this board who thought retaining this clown was a good idea! The administration thinks like those three people! I have zero faith anything they decide will work. Probably fire woodson at the end of the season after the program is in shambles and hire middle school bob as next coach!Sent from my SM-S926U using Tapatalk Hornsby, VFury, Herotime and 1 other 4
HoosierHuddle Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition. thebigweave, cybergates and mamasa 3
hoosierbannerd Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 1 minute ago, HoosierHuddle said: Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition. Yeah, but he isn't the prospect Ivan Renko was... ALASKA HOOSIER, Mr. Hoosier Pride, mamasa and 1 other 1 3
Scotty R Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 55 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: Worked for RMK; BUT today's players are not necessarily coddled and soft. And a less disciplinarian coach than RMK can also win. Guys like Dean Smith, Wooden, Jay Wright, or for that matter, Brad Stevens and Dusty May have been invariably even-keeled and not especially harsh to players. A coach needs to be really smart, really motivated, really competitive, and really hard-working. If that happens, the coach's team will reflect those traits. Identifying and recruiting guys that have or that can develop those traits is an important skill too. What I am saying that the coach needs to make the players fear getting benched. If a player knows there are no consequences for playing bad then what will motivate him to work harder. Are coaches fearful of losing the players because they are to mentally fragile to handle being benched or they are afraid they will transfer. hoosierbannerd and Hoosier987 1 1
Scotty R Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 8 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said: Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition. I would think they would know that Woodson is on the hot seat so they must not care or they have no clue what to a going on. Chris007 and JerryYeagley23 2
IUFAN1976 Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 3 minutes ago, Scotty R said: What I am saying that the coach needs to make the players fear getting benched. If a player knows there are no consequences for playing bad then what will motivate him to work harder. Are coaches fearful of losing the players because they are to mentally fragile to handle being benched or they are afraid they will transfer. Not trying to butt in on your conversation with Stuhoo but doesn’t this kind of go along with the Brad Steven’s Entitlement post? This isn’t me trying to say BS should be our guy, it’s more the fact the playing time is earned, players shouldn’t feel entitled. Scotty R and AZ Hoosier 2
Scotty R Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 54 minutes ago, mamasa said: Knight was, by definition, a sociopath. He was good coach. Not a great or good man. Today's players train harder, train more, and are more advanced than any other generation. Just because you don't let some grown man act like a jackass to you doesn't mean you're soft. Coddled? Because they know their worth and take advantage of it? They might train better but that doesn't make them strong on the court or make them better basketball players. Todays player thinks everything should be given to them without earning minutes. I hate what NIL is doing to college sports and it is definitely a worse product than it use to be. hoosierbannerd 1
AZ Hoosier Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 44 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I'm guessing he committing to IU. His agent knows everything that is going on. No matter who the coach will be our NIL is better than those other schools So, this is a Trent Sisley type thing - coming to play for IU more than coming to play for the Wizard of Broad Ripple... JerryYeagley23, Chris007 and thebigweave 3
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Bosnian forward/shooter Harun Zrno is committing to IU tomorrow, it appears. I don't think this has anything to do with Woodson and this guy is committing to the location and the NIL deal available to him. Regardless of who is coaching, I love that IU is getting into the international player market. Zrno is going to be a 21-year old freshman that has played against professionals for multiple years. He will be a "freshman" but he'll be very capable of making a big impact very early in his collegiate career. There have been a whole lot of recent examples of players like this having a very good transition (look no further than Illinois this season) and Zrno will be a good piece for whoever the new coach is. OR...Zrno doesn't get to watch any college basketball in Bosnia so he has no idea what he's getting into with Mike Woodson as his coach and he'll get 4-5 shot attempts and play the nail, slot, rim "defense" in front of a booing home crowd next season. In concept though, I love the addition.What if the new coach doesn't want him? Seems weird to commit if you have no idea who the coach will be. The king must be filling his head with I've done my job and I will be back. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk
Mr. Hoosier Pride Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 21 minutes ago, hoosierbannerd said: Yeah, but he isn't the prospect Ivan Renko was... Nobody will ever size up to the likes of Ivan Renko AZ Hoosier, hoosierbannerd and ALASKA HOOSIER 1 1 1
Hoosierfanyuh Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Stevens loves shooters and versatility so starting off with Sisley and the euro kid will be nice Hollywood Mike Miranda, Pagoda, cybergates and 4 others 5 1 1
Popular Post JerryYeagley23 Posted January 23, 2025 Popular Post Posted January 23, 2025 1 hour ago, hper50 said: My brothers in Christ @Chris007 & @JerryYeagley23 is there any chance of a Friday PM news drop tomorrow. Would be the best birthday present ever for ya boy I’m not counting on it. Think we need to drop a bit more in the standings or get blown out again for optics to be right for the rip chord move. Sit tight. HoosierTrav, Hoosierfanyuh, cybergates and 17 others 17 3
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Hef harun I've done my job.https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/mike-woodson-indiana-job-not-done-01hrbxhtz0r9Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk
TTT Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 Money. Yes, he has done his job poorly, unsatisfactory.
Pagoda Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 30 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said: So, this is a Trent Sisley type thing - coming to play for IU more than coming to play for the Wizard of Broad Ripple... Yea, it is kinda odd to commit to a program and bank on the next coach being a fit. I guess the commits and next coach can decide if the commitment makes sense and back out of it if needed, so it's not a big deal. I get Trent's situation more than the Bosnian player. And I think Trent will be good here. This is the problem with keeping Woody around this season. He spent $6M on the current roster and he didn't spend the money well. He whiffed on our top HS targets except one who just loves IU. Now he's getting a commit from another player he probably won't coach on who knows what NIL/rev share terms. I wish we had our new coach in place last year to spend the large sum of $6M and assemble the HS class he wants that fits whatever our new system would be. A new coach could have also saved some recruitments Woody messed up. Instead we have this too small HS class Woody put together that may or may not fit for the next coach. Ugh. Artie86 1
realTomCrean Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 I've seen some say they want to retain Tucker with a new coach & of course with Sisley being a homegrown product many want to keep him. I will go a different route in saying that as awful as Carlyle has been, in 2 years with a coach he will be a good depth piece on a competitive team. The Bosnian makes zero sense to me right now. Chris007 and woodenshoemanHoosierfan 2
Mr. Hoosier Pride Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 28 minutes ago, JerryYeagley23 said: I’m not counting on it. Think we need to drop a bit more in the standings or get blown out again for optics to be right for the rip chord move. Sit tight. My only issue with this is that we are waiting for "optics" to be right .....when clearly it's not working (see past 4 seasons, see Bikoff's numbers from earlier, see fan interest, etc...) And what happens if they go on a run (like last year), say a 5 game winning streak....what's the optics look like then? That's when the leaks come from the Athletic Department (or elsewhere) that Woody will be returning, and cue Coach's presser "I'm doing my job." "F" optics, let's move on Scott. BannerVille, J34 and Silat Player 3
OKHOOSIER Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 24 minutes ago, Pagoda said: Yea, it is kinda odd to commit to a program and bank on the next coach being a fit. I guess the commits and next coach can decide if the commitment makes sense and back out of it if needed, so it's not a big deal. I get Trent's situation more than the Bosnian player. And I think Trent will be good here. This is the problem with keeping Woody around this season. He spent $6M on the current roster and he didn't spend the money well. He whiffed on our top HS targets except one who just loves IU. Now he's getting a commit from another player he probably won't coach on who knows what NIL/rev share terms. I wish we had our new coach in place last year to spend the large sum of $6M and assemble the HS class he wants that fits whatever our new system would be. A new coach could have also saved some recruitments Woody messed up. Instead we have this too small HS class Woody put together that may or may not fit for the next coach. Ugh. The Sisley one makes sense, but honestly in both cases it makes you wonder what is being said behind the scenes. NIL has already proven to not really be contract based and is obviously not collectively bargained. It’s not going to be up to boosters or lame duck woody who gets NIL next year. I have a hard time in this current environment guys are committing with the “assumption of NIL number X” regardless of who is coach. This tells me Woody and staff are proceeding as though he’s going to be the coach, as insane as that is to type. tkbbn 1
Hornsby Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 The Sisley one makes sense, but honestly in both cases it makes you wonder what is being said behind the scenes. NIL has already proven to not really be contract based and is obviously not collectively bargained. It’s not going to be up to boosters or lame duck woody who gets NIL next year. I have a hard time in this current environment guys are committing with the “assumption of NIL number X” regardless of who is coach. This tells me Woody and staff are proceeding as though he’s going to be the coach, as insane as that is to type. Bingo. The king of broad ripple has to have this kid convinced he will be back. There is no other logic.Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk tkbbn 1
JSHoosier Posted January 23, 2025 Posted January 23, 2025 1 minute ago, Hornsby said: Bingo. The king of broad ripple has to have this kid convinced he will be back. There is no other logic. Sent from my SM-A146U using Tapatalk He probably thinks he is with his friends protecting him. With how poorly run this program has been he may be right, unfortunately.
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