They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,495]

26 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

He had an ultra experience ultra talented roster in 22-23 in:

1st yrJHS

5th yr XJ

5th yr Kopp

6th yr Race

4th yr TJD

with first 3 off the bench

Reneau

Galloway

Bates

and finished a distant 2nd/3rd in the Big Ten and got shellacked in the round of 32. There are all kinds of reasons he will not build a top 25 team

 

You don’t have to convince me.  I’m right there, but theoretically as a top5-10 spender we should have a roster that invokes some fear and at least gets respected. 

[IUCrazy2 2,588]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s crazy to me, that 300- 500k got you the best of the best before NIL. 100-150k got you top talent.  Everything has quadrupled. 

Because every big program has extremely rich people willing to light their money on fire.  When people were saying "everyone has money", they meant it.

We are also totally dumbing down what it means to get "elite" talent out of the portal.  If you were told in early March that Woodson was going to use that money to pull Perkins from Iowa and the dude from Drexel and that was better than recruiting, people would wonder if you were crazy.

There are some decent players who we have been mentioned with but nothing about anyone we have heard of so far, in combination with what we have coming back, should lead anyone to believe that we are suddenly going to go into overdrive.  Again, we do this stuff every spring, summer, and early fall and then the product on the court is just mediocre.  I expect nothing different this upcoming year.  (But, but Woody is going after guards now...phbbt...OK, whatever.)

[IUrocker 2,416]

26 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

And in case anyone else was holding on to the farce that our NIL was special compared to other huge programs, Kansas offered AJ Storr 750K. Which he turned down because he wants 1mm. Storr and his handlers being idiots aside, I say that because it proves we are swimming in a pool where proven high major dudes can get huge money from the bluest of the blue bloods. And AJ Storr is just an example who I don’t think is even worth 750k much less a million. 
 

Without a solid plan to change the offense and/or a new basketball coach, money is not going to buy the team our administration seems to think it will when the root of the problem is the coaching staff and their schemes. This will be overpaid mercenaries seeking money Kansas won’t even offer— we can hope Indiana ties helps, though I doubt it does to the extent many believe.  
 

Relieve Mike Woodson of his coaching duties. 

I love this post and exactly what I was thinking myself. Woodson probably thought as long as he had money to throw and bigger name guys that he’d be able to get whoever he wants and it’s just not the case. Players don’t want to experience what we’ve seen the last 3 years and obviously Woodson doesn’t think that matters. Gonna end up overpaying people just field a roster. The longer it goes on, the more we’re gonna have to overpay for lower skilled players. Unfortunately I don’t think we’re at a point where if the portal ends up being a strikeout (based off we should be able to get a good haul) that they’ll get rid of him. He’ll get his 4th year regardless and then he and Quinn will ride off together. 

i guess I don’t fully doubt that there could still be some things in the works where we end up adding a couple high quality guys, but it’s probably gonna be a matter of we are begging and overpaying to get them here. Woodson thought he was gonna have it made with this NBA free agency style of doing things. 

[Feathery 4,005]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s crazy to me, that 300- 500k got you the best of the best before NIL. 100-150k got you top talent.  Everything has quadrupled. 

Supply and demand. More teams have entered the market to pay players. Just shows how the top teams pre NOL were easily beating everyone else. 

[Ryno6284 3,243]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It’s crazy to me, that 300- 500k got you the best of the best before NIL. 100-150k got you top talent.  Everything has quadrupled. 

Inflation my man! It skips nothing!

[Hornsby 2,972]

I keep seeing people on Twitter talking about "Let Woody cook!"
What's he cooking? More beat downs from Nebraska and Penn State?

There are people on Twitter who think Woodson is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you dare question their narrative the name calling starts. It's really something.

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[JSHoosier 21,202]

4 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

There are people on Twitter who think Woodson is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you dare question their narrative the name calling starts. It's really something.

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You mean more than just NGW? I thought he was pretty much alone on that island.

[Hornsby 2,972]

You mean more than just NGW? I thought he was pretty much alone on that island.

Oh no at least not right now. They keep coming popping up on my feed. One that came up recenly is in charge of the mike woodson facebook fan club per his profile. They love him but they all appear to be younger guys.

 

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[Ghost of Rick Majerus 944]

13 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

There are people on Twitter who think Woodson is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you dare question their narrative the name calling starts. It's really something.

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Yes, it's fascinating. It's as if they haven't watched the same teams that we have the last 3 years. 

 

[Uspshoosier 48,387]

40 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

There are people on Twitter who think Woodson is the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you dare question their narrative the name calling starts. It's really something.

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There are people on Twitter who think (fill in the blank) is the greatest thing since slice bread. If you dare question their narrative the name calling starts.   That’s the cesspool that is social media 

[Stuhoo 84,285]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

There are people on Twitter who think (fill in the blank) is the greatest thing since slice bread. If you dare question their narrative the name calling starts.   That’s the cesspool that is social media 

... and that's why it is far more interesting to question and opine about substance and objective information than about whether some random people on social media or a message boards are sane or crazy.

[Hornsby 2,972]

There are people on Twitter who think (fill in the blank) is the greatest thing since slice bread. If you dare question their narrative the name calling starts.   That’s the cesspool that is social media 

Yes it is. Twitter is a different world.

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[AKHoosier 7,252]

The transfer portal is similar to the working world: it's not just about money. It's about the fit, who will be leading you, who you'll be working with.

Yes, money helps alleviate concerns, but not always. 

A few years ago I turned a $30,000 raise to join another company. That bump would have been nice, but I wasn't convinced the team I'd be part of would have even been around 5 years from then.

(Side note: Do not expect your wife to be cool with turning down an extra $30K/year.)

[Muskie for three 307]

1 hour ago, Hornsby said:

Oh no at least not right now. They keep coming popping up on my feed. One that came up recenly is in charge of the mike woodson facebook fan club per his profile. They love him but they all appear to be younger guys.

 

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Woody is still strong on fb . Bunch of jidhaist and very touchy . Ready to suicide vest any discord off their page . 

[Chris007 50,913]

It's getting to the point where I don't know who the bigger joke is Woodson or Dolson. 

Woodson for someone whose job is on the line and is doing nothing different than he has before. We are the best team in the country at getting visits. But here we are final four weekend and not a single commit besides an HS kid. He's not changing the offense, not changing how he recruits. Yes, we might still get a decent roster by the summer but he will still be the one to coach them.

Dolson to sit back and think we're going to find gold by just throwing more money at the problem. We don't recruit the state, we don't contend for BT championships, and we have to fight to make the tourney every season, usually only qualifying for the NIT. He has let the program we love just go down the drain and has done nothing to fix it. Woodson said I'm not going anywhere and Dolson hid in the corner and cried. Sad state of affairs.

My ramble for the day

[LamarCheeks 20,429]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It's getting to the point where I don't know who the bigger joke is Woodson or Dolson. 

Woodson for someone whose job is on the line and is doing nothing different than he has before. We are the best team in the country at getting visits. But here we are final four weekend and not a single commit besides an HS kid. He's not changing the offense, not changing how he recruits. Yes, we might still get a decent roster by the summer but he will still be the one to coach them.

Dolson to sit back and think we're going to find gold by just throwing more money at the problem. We don't recruit the state, we don't contend for BT championships, and we have to fight to make the tourney every season, usually only qualifying for the NIT. He has let the program we love just go down the drain and has done nothing to fix it. Woodson said I'm not going anywhere and Dolson hid in the corner and cried. Sad state of affairs.

My ramble for the day

Geez -- this makes me depressed. LOL! 

I can't say I've read all your posts, but I don't rememeber you ever taking Dolson to task in such a harsh way. 

[Feathery 4,005]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It's getting to the point where I don't know who the bigger joke is Woodson or Dolson. 

Woodson for someone whose job is on the line and is doing nothing different than he has before. We are the best team in the country at getting visits. But here we are final four weekend and not a single commit besides an HS kid. He's not changing the offense, not changing how he recruits. Yes, we might still get a decent roster by the summer but he will still be the one to coach them.

Dolson to sit back and think we're going to find gold by just throwing more money at the problem. We don't recruit the state, we don't contend for BT championships, and we have to fight to make the tourney every season, usually only qualifying for the NIT. He has let the program we love just go down the drain and has done nothing to fix it. Woodson said I'm not going anywhere and Dolson hid in the corner and cried. Sad state of affairs.

My ramble for the day

And yet it’s hard to do anything when your bosses won’t let you. Or won’t sign off on who you want to get. 

[go iu bb 7,315]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It's getting to the point where I don't know who the bigger joke is Woodson or Dolson. 

Woodson for someone whose job is on the line and is doing nothing different than he has before. We are the best team in the country at getting visits. But here we are final four weekend and not a single commit besides an HS kid. He's not changing the offense, not changing how he recruits. Yes, we might still get a decent roster by the summer but he will still be the one to coach them.

Dolson to sit back and think we're going to find gold by just throwing more money at the problem. We don't recruit the state, we don't contend for BT championships, and we have to fight to make the tourney every season, usually only qualifying for the NIT. He has let the program we love just go down the drain and has done nothing to fix it. Woodson said I'm not going anywhere and Dolson hid in the corner and cried. Sad state of affairs.

My ramble for the day

They should both be fired. The silence from the AD is completely unacceptable. 

[Chris007 50,913]

1 minute ago, LamarCheeks said:

Geez -- this makes me depressed. LOL! 

I can't say I've read all your posts, but I don't rememeber you ever taking Dolson to task in such a severe manner. 

I haven't but I'm just disappointed. The people who supposedly love this program and letting it go in the crapper. I know it's been there for a while but do something about it. The easy choice was bringing Woodson back. 

[Chris007 50,913]

2 minutes ago, Feathery said:

And yet it’s hard to do anything when your bosses won’t let you. Or won’t sign off on who you want to get. 

There are always ways around that. If he wanted to make a change he could have. He tried to play both sides and then did nothing. Now he can sit behind my hands were tied.