They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, VFury said:

But we gave Archie 4 years to install his terrible offense?

Yeah? And the pitchforks were out before his 2nd season ended. Once you lose this fanbase, you’re effectively done.

[Kentuckysucks]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Exactly. And we’re not willing to give a guy 2-3 years to get an unorthodox system instituted and the right personnel in place. Whether it’s Brad, Dusty, or the next door neighbor…you better win and you better do it quickly or the pitchforks come out.

If they hire someone the fans really want that will not be the case.  Although obviously that would be the first time that has happened since the Knight firing so I’m not optimistic that they will.

[JSHoosier]

8 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I don't think Woodson will easily go or retire.  I know nobody wants to think about this and I'm certainly against it...but what if...what if Woodson is coaching here next year? What does the Program even look like if that's the case? Again, I'm in no way saying he's going to be coaching next year...but until he "retires" (which i don't think he will) or Dolson has cojones and makes the move, he's still on the sideline. Depressing thought. 

If there was another year of Woodson there would be Egyptian mummies in better shape than this program.

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Gameface01 said:

He thought she was down for whatever, perhaps maybe she wasnt

I guess it is what it is!

[PartyintheVillas]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If they hire someone the fans really want that will not be the case.  Although obviously that would be the first time that has happened since the Knight firing so I’m not optimistic that they will.

Archie was a very popular hire within Indiana and around the country. Results were pretty ****, but the hire was very popular. Even Bob Knight liked the hire.

Bob Knight praised Archie Miller, the head coach of Indiana University's men's basketball team, by saying, "This kid (Miller) is going to do a good job". Knight also said, "You folks are going to appreciate him, but it ain't gonna happen in a year

[VFury]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Yeah? And the pitchforks were out before his 2nd season ended. Once you lose this fanbase, you’re effectively done.

Giving Archie more years won't magically make him a better coach. I don't understand the logic

[FortWayneHoosier]

31 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

That is true because I just went to Sam's for the family on my lunch break and saw Armond Hill there buying some water and some chips. He wasn't dressed in any IU gear, which I understood. I just asked him if he was doing ok and if it was a late night getting in. He gave me a thumbs-up and went on. 

When I was down at the Winthrop game, the team came out officially for warm ups...Armond went straight to the bench and did not engage with a coach or player and had the  same look he always has and acted like he was on the couch watching the news. I have never seen someone so dis engaged in such a loud and eventful arena lol. Ultimately I looked up what his background was and the dude is the real deal, but obviously lacks any kind of help to this team. 

 

anyways....Fire Woody!

[CSP]

9 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Assault is not funny.  Anyone who would joke about that is really messed up. 

There are still details about the evening that matter. It's not a broad stroke and if she punched first, I'd really like to hear more. 

[Hovadipo]

29 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

That is true because I just went to Sam's for the family on my lunch break and saw Armond Hill there buying some water and some chips. He wasn't dressed in any IU gear, which I understood. I just asked him if he was doing ok and if it was a late night getting in. He gave me a thumbs-up and went on. 

Must be poker night at the Chucklef***’s club For Dips***tery and A**hattedness. 

[rcbowla]

They're not going to fire a coach mid-season that played here. The only way they part before end of season is through a "mutual" agreement to retire, effective immediately. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Yeah? And the pitchforks were out before his 2nd season ended. Once you lose this fanbase, you’re effectively done.

Oh you mean when we started 12-2 and then lost 12 of the next 13 games with Romeo Langford on the team? The horror. That was enough to warrant firing him, but iu, as always, was late to the party. 

You don’t need 2-3 years to institute a system in 2025 college basketball. Not if you’re good. 

[CSP]

15 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

There are some people here who either support domestic violence or find it socially acceptable at the very least as long as basketball games are won. I'm all for second chances, but not further risking the already shaky moral reputation of the athletic department representing the largest and flagship public institution of learning in the state. There are more coaches out there than Chris Beard who can win big at Indiana and will take the job without increasing risk for another embarrassing termination. 

Shaky moral reputation? Lol what? 

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, FortWayneHoosier said:

When I was down at the Winthrop game, the team came out officially for warm ups...Armond went straight to the bench with same look he always has and acted like he was on the couch watching the news. I have never seen someone so dis engaged in such a loud and eventful arena lol. Ultimately I looked up what his background was and the dude is the real deal, but obviously lacks any kind of help to this team. 

 

anyways....Fire Woody!

You described it perfectly. Dude is the real deal and has been around forever, but what he does to help IU I'm not sure. He's just the head coaches buddy I think

[IU Prof]

Can someone explain why Chris Beard gets so much love while Will Wade does not? Unless I'm missing something, I would think that Wade's issues would be much less concerning than Beard's. And the dude wins everywhere he goes.

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Oh you mean when we started 12-2 and then lost 12 of the next 13 games with Romeo Langford on the team? The horror. That was enough to warrant firing him, but iu, as always, was late to the party. 

You don’t need 2-3 years to institute a system in 2025 college basketball. Not if you’re good. 

And this is why we'll be right back here in 3-4 years doing it all over again.

[JSHoosier]

4 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Exactly. And we’re not willing to give a guy 2-3 years to get an unorthodox system instituted and the right personnel in place. Whether it’s Brad, Dusty, or the next door neighbor…you better win and you better do it quickly or the pitchforks come out.

If the fans can see progress is being made and things are getting better they are patient. Crean didn't lose the fans until it was obvious he'd hit his ceiling, and no one complained about his first 3 years. Miller, the writing was on the wall pretty early.

I don't think anyone expects a title or Final Four in year 1 or 2, but the right coach can make a big difference pretty quick.

[OKHOOSIER]

6 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Exactly. And we’re not willing to give a guy 2-3 years to get an unorthodox system instituted and the right personnel in place. Whether it’s Brad, Dusty, or the next door neighbor…you better win and you better do it quickly or the pitchforks come out.

That’s simply not true, repeating the same 2-3 year claim doesn’t make it so. Many of us, myself included had said all of last season if Woody had any momentum, had landed Fland, kept Liam and maybe Queen he would have deserved a fourth season. He didn’t, lost his only recruit, and seemed completely disinterested in doing what is required to win games in college. It wasn’t simply results. And although the writing was on the wall almost immediately, we were also lead to believe Woody was supposed to be a shorter term bridge to the permanent guy. No one was calling for his head after 2 seasons despite that. 
 

That said, after the last eight years I agree McCollum runs a system we probably wouldn’t like, but the guy wins a ton of basketball games. I didn’t like ArchieBall but believed (incorrectly) if he won big like Bennet, who cares if it’s like watching paint dry. 
 

And for the record I looked it up, there’s only about 60 coaches in all of division 1 that have been at their schools for ten years or longer. 240ish other schools have turned over coaches since 2015. We are not some weird anomaly for firing coaches that don’t win basketball games. 

[IUFAN1976]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Yeah? And the pitchforks were out before his 2nd season ended. Once you lose this fanbase, you’re effectively done.

Only because we’ve been down this road once too many times since RMK was let go!  It’s a trust thing! Unless it’s Brad Steven’s, or someone else that the majority of the fans approve of, that next coach better win right out of the gate and maintain for at least 3 years, or we will be right back here again or worse!  I think they will lose the fanbase altogether, so the pressure is on and Dolson needs to get it right.  Just my opinion, and Honestly the Mike Woodson hire really soured me and I am sure others feel the way too!

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

And this is why we'll be right back here in 3-4 years doing it all over again.

If we’re right back here in 3-4 years it’ll be because IU hired another crappy basketball coach, not because of my message board posts. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

You described it perfectly. Dude is the real deal and has been around forever, but what he does to help IU I'm not sure. He's just the head coaches buddy I think

VP in charge of Ego Stroking.