They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Chris007]

Did the circus show up last night after I left? I saw someone clowning around the whole time. 

Michigan lost to a higher-ranked team that is undefeated by 1 point on a neutral floor. Kiss their tournament hopes goodbye. 

It's a good thing we don't have any losses like that. Plus, counting all of our quad 1 wins, my fingers get exhausted, never having to stand up. 

DWS

[Chris007]

I think an extension is an order. With the short amount of years left on his contract, he doesn't have enough time to recruit HS talent. 

[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I think an extension is an order. With the short amount of years left on his contract, he doesn't have enough time to recruit HS talent. 

What's been his excuse the last 2 years?

[AZ Hoosier]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

As far as the rest of your drivel...is the season over? I didn't think so. Zero intention of going anywhere near that cesspool until it is. Misery loves company and the rest of you can wallow in it together. I'm good though.

I'm curious what cesspool you are speaking of?

[Home Jersey]

3 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

What's been his excuse the last 2 years?

It’s pizza night with the Fella’s! Can you call Dominoes, babe?

Plus I’m about 5 old fashioneds and a bottle of wine deep from dinner. Mike Woodson’s not going to see a high school kid right now.

Want a stogie?

[IU Prof]

Setting aside the identity of the messenger, Dusty is a lot riskier than many here are assuming. He's no slam dunk. Plenty of teams have wilted over the course of a full B1G season after a hot start, so let's see where he's at in March.

The late game issues recently have to be concerning, regardless of any comparative assessments between May and Woodson. 

Sure, Dusty is better than Woody, but that's a real low bar at this point. The question is how much better is he, and does he have what it takes to hang a banner. The jury is still out on that.

[Home Jersey]

Just now, IU Prof said:

Setting aside the identity if the messenger,  Dusty is a lot riskier than many here are assuming. He's no slam dunk. Plenty of teams have wilted over the course of a full B1G season after a hot start. And the late game issues recently have to be concerning, regardless of any comparative assessments between May and Woodson. 

Sure, Dusty is better than Woody, but that's a real low bar at this point. The question is how much better is he, and does he have what it takes to hang a banner. The jury is still out on that.

I would prefer McCollum over him personally

[Chris007]

6 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

What's been his excuse the last 2 years?

Not enough true fans helping him out like me and AH1971

[IU Prof]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

I would prefer McCollum over him personally

I think McCollum has even more question marks than Dusty. There's no guarantee his small school success levels up at a place like IU.

This program desperately needs an established winner at the highest level like Pearl. Or Brad. Anything less, and there's a 50-50 chance you're firing up the FlightTracker again in 4 or 5 years.

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

I think McCollum has even more question marks than Dusty. There's no guarantee his small school success levels up at a place like IU.

This program desperately needs an established winner at the highest level like Pearl. Or Brad. Anything less, and there's a 50-50 chance you're firing up the FlightTracker again in 4 or 5 years.

I’d definitely want us to call Brad and Pearl. Not sure how realistic they are but worth a call for sure. Would’ve loved Pearl last year. Now I think he may be out of reach.

McCollum has won championships at a level that’s not so drastically different. I like the product on the floor better from him than May. Virtually anything is better than what we’ve been seeing lately. 

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Setting aside the identity of the messenger, Dusty is a lot riskier than many here are assuming. He's no slam dunk. Plenty of teams have wilted over the course of a full B1G season after a hot start, so let's see where he's at in March.

The late game issues recently have to be concerning, regardless of any comparative assessments between May and Woodson. 

Sure, Dusty is better than Woody, but that's a real low bar at this point. The question is how much better is he, and does he have what it takes to hang a banner. The jury is still out on that.

You are correct the bar is about as low as it can be. 

Two things that I like about Dusty are he is constantly trying to learn more. The stories about watching European basketball at 3 AM to try to get a play to use and the other is his work ethic. He reminds me of Cig in that regard. He's going to be here at 4 Am and stay till 10:30. He's not going to be at his local hangout spot playing cards. He's always going to know who we play next. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Let's be real people.  No hire is a slam dunk guaranteed banner producing coach.  It's just like Vegas.  You roll the dice and hope.

[str8baller]

3 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

Setting aside the identity of the messenger, Dusty is a lot riskier than many here are assuming. He's no slam dunk. Plenty of teams have wilted over the course of a full B1G season after a hot start, so let's see where he's at in March.

The late game issues recently have to be concerning, regardless of any comparative assessments between May and Woodson. 

Sure, Dusty is better than Woody, but that's a real low bar at this point. The question is how much better is he, and does he have what it takes to hang a banner. The jury is still out on that.

I don’t disagree. After watching him last season I have expressed my own couple criticisms of his style. 
 

But there’s no need to fabricate what actually happened in the game to justify some silly critique of a guy at Michigan in some half hearted attempt to continue to defend Woody. 
 

I disagree with your last paragraph though. We’re not hiring the new coach. We’re just arguing with a Woody shill. You don’t really have to take anything at face value from people who spent so much time defending Woody despite all the evidence to the contrary. 
 

So for my money, Dusty > Woody, and that’s all that matters in this discussion. 

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Let's be real people.  No hire is a slam dunk guaranteed banner producing coach.  It's just like Vegas.  You roll the dice and hope.

I really thought Woodson was a slam dunk guarantee. Looks like he was really close there just happened to be a massive hump always in the way. 

[CSP]

19 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Again, this isn't a Woodson/May debate, but since you're so hellbent on making it one....May's Michigan team:

-plays two bigs

-plays through the post

-has one of the worst turnover rates in the country (326/366 teams)

-poor free throw shooting team <70%

-below average 3pt shooting team

-repeated pattern of blowing sizeable leads

-incompetent end of game management

Stop me if you've ever heard this before, but he's Tom Crean 2.0 which I said last Spring and this fan base has already determined Tom Crean wasn't good enough. Forgive me for not thinking Dusty May is some basketball savant who is going to save IU basketball.

As far as the rest of your drivel...is the season over? I didn't think so. Zero intention of going anywhere near that cesspool until it is. Misery loves company and the rest of you can wallow in it together. I'm good though.

Plays two bigs--- THAT COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER!!

Plays through the post--- Not really. The FAU big kid just runs the floor, PNR, and off rebounds, rarely do they post him. Wolf is just a flat-out stud. 

Michigan takes over 6 more 3s per game than we do. 

 

But... Dusty has actually accomplished something in college basketball. If we are actually comparing Woodson and May... that's just silly. Has Michigan ranked Top 20 in Year 1. We aren't an NIT in Year 4 lol 

[CSP]

9 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Up 3 with ball 30 seconds left, turnover, don’t get a shot off. Foul a 3 point shooter, make FT OK goes up 1. Doesn’t take a TO, fadeaway jumper that doesn’t hit the rim. Disaster end of game management, all after blowing a double-digit 2H lead….something he literally did last game against Arkansas.

They got an open 3 to win it? And Wolfe a just a tick late noticing how wide open #3 was or it would have been absurdly wide open. Might check the film. 

[IUCrazy2]

15 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

Woodson is making Mike Davis look highly competent and multi-faceted with some of these mistakes. 

Mike Davis was a better coach.  You give him Woodson's payroll ability at that time and I bet you he would have rarely missed the tournament.  He wasn't a great coach but he was serviceable.  

[IUCrazy2]

9 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Another Dusty May end of game masterclass.

He should try to lose by double digits so his end of game decisions don't matter.

[CSP]

1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Mike Davis was a better coach.  You give him Woodson's payroll ability at that time and I bet you he would have rarely missed the tournament.  He wasn't a great coach but he was serviceable.  

MD didn't recruit Harangody until well into his SR year of HS. Let's not act like he was competent. 

[ap2345]

Just now, IUCrazy2 said:

He should try to lose by double digits so his end of game decisions don't matter.

Some posts aren't even worth acknowledging lol