They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda]

I hate to type this, but I feel good about Brad figuring out the NIL-era if he ever wanted to.  Everything he touches turns to gold or close to it: the improbable Butler runs, he did pretty well as the Celts coach (7/8 years in playoffs, three conference finals appearances), and then he figured out the GM job and they won a championship thanks to some of his key personnel moves.  GM of the Celts is a much tougher job than executing an NIL strategy.

0.1% chance he comes here, but just saying.  Fortunately, I think any coach adept in modern basketball that we can plug into our NIL will do well here.

 

Edited December 4, 2024 by Pagoda

[bird4par]

10 hours ago, sirhoosierlot said:

Messed up the link apparently. 
https://x.com/statsbywill/status/1375410310522224642?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1375410310522224642|twgr^fb793aeeb95469b17cd9c0b719eda0761aa4d88c|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Fathletic%2F2798730%2F2021%2F09%2F01%2Fmeet-ben-mccollum-the-division-ii-coach-winning-titles-and-turning-heads-across-college-basketball%2F

I saw more player movement on that offensive possession than I have seen so far this year from IU.  The ball movement was phenomenal. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

He could be coaching here now if he wanted. He could be sailing the pacific in a dingy uploading videos to YouTube if he wanted. 
 

My point being that a sitting GM leaving a team in the middle of a title run would be pretty unprecedented. One would definitely burn a few bridges leaving that way. It’s the type of thing an agent would throw their body in front of, but his wife’s his agent so maybe he doesn’t care. 

I agree. I think he would still be a tier 1 hire but maybe not as much of a slam dunk as I once did.  You see so many other successful coaches getting out of the current NIL/recruiting situation I think it’s hard to know how a coach would do in it until they’ve been in it.

I mean, is there really that much for a GM to do post-March in the NBA? The trade deadline has already passed, the draft isn’t until June, and free agency starts in July. I don’t see why leaving at that time would burn bridges. The team is already set at that point. 

[JSHoosier]

16 minutes ago, bird4par said:

I saw more player movement on that offensive possession than I have seen so far this year from IU.  The ball movement was phenomenal. 

That ball movement was a thing of beauty. IU gave up 5 open 3s just watching that, Woodson got confused because there's not 2 bigs.

[8bucks]

10 hours ago, ap2345 said:

It wasn’t a past tense conversation 

I would be stunned if he got back into college coaching.  Seems guys like him are leaving the game (Jay Wright, Tony Bennett) and with the amount of recruiting time, NIL, I am just not sure why that would attract him.  I might see him leave to take on a HC of the Olympic team role but knowing how much time college coaches have to give especially while his son and daughter will be playing collegiately just seems unlikely.

Not saying the conversation did not happen.  I would have loved to have heard it to see if he was serious.  

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I would be stunned if he got back into college coaching.  Seems guys like him are leaving the game (Jay Wright, Tony Bennett) and with the amount of recruiting time, NIL, I am just not sure why that would attract him.  I might see him leave to take on a HC of the Olympic team role but knowing how much time college coaches have to give especially while his son and daughter will be playing collegiately just seems unlikely.

Not saying the conversation did not happen.  I would have loved to have heard it to see if he was serious.  

I would think it would be more likely that Brad Stevens would return to NBA coaching if he wanted to be courtside. Pacers would make more sense than Hoosiers to me.

[Chris007]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

I hate to type this, but I feel good about Brad figuring out the NIL-era if he ever wanted to.  Everything he touches turns to gold or close to it: the improbable Butler runs, he did pretty well as the Celts coach (7/8 years in playoffs, three conference finals appearances), and then he figured out the GM job and they won a championship thanks to some of his key personnel moves.  GM of the Celts is a much tougher job than executing an NIL strategy.

0.1% chance he comes here, but just saying.  Fortunately, I think any coach adept in modern basketball that we can plug into our NIL will do well here.

 

I look at his President-GM role as a good thing. He knows how to put a team together, then he gets to coach them in this new NIL era. So Stevens is choice one for me.

Also Dusty is my second choice. He did something we never do, go into Wisconsin and win. 

[Chris007]

11 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

Ben McCollum. He’s quite possibly the best tactician that I’ve dug into. 
 

I mentioned it in another thread. I came across the thread and started to dig in. He won 4 D2 national championships with an over .800 win percentage. The potential drawbacks were that he hadn’t coached at the D1 level. Drake hired him last offseason and he’s off to a 6-0 start, including dominating performances over Miami and Vanderbilt. He completely outclassed Jim Larranaga (a great coach). There was one stretch where he drew up 3 straight quick hitters that ended in a lob and dunk. Haha. So impressive. 
 

He’s not going to last more than 1-2 seasons at Drake. Major Brad Stevens vibes. 
 

Give him a P4 job and roster and he will take apart any coach you can name at the D1 level. 
 

Please take some time to watch his games. 
 

If Indiana hired this guy, he will win championships here. 
 

 

My worry here is he's from Iowa so I can see him being the next Iowa coach when Fran leaves soon. But he looks like he's the real deal

[bird4par]

11 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

Ben McCollum. He’s quite possibly the best tactician that I’ve dug into. 
 

I mentioned it in another thread. I came across the thread and started to dig in. He won 4 D2 national championships with an over .800 win percentage. The potential drawbacks were that he hadn’t coached at the D1 level. Drake hired him last offseason and he’s off to a 6-0 start, including dominating performances over Miami and Vanderbilt. He completely outclassed Jim Larranaga (a great coach). There was one stretch where he drew up 3 straight quick hitters that ended in a lob and dunk. Haha. So impressive. 
 

He’s not going to last more than 1-2 seasons at Drake. Major Brad Stevens vibes. 
 

Give him a P4 job and roster and he will take apart any coach you can name at the D1 level. 
 

Please take some time to watch his games. 
 

If Indiana hired this guy, he will win championships here. 
 

 

I’m gonna have to check him out. I only live 30 minutes from Drake. 

[JSHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I look at his President-GM role as a good thing. He knows how to put a team together, then he gets to coach them in this new NIL era. So Stevens is choice one for me.

Also Dusty is my second choice. He did something we never do, go into Wisconsin and win. 

It's been so long I forgot that was even possible. Wisconsin can be a struggle in AH too.

[Unexpectedflash]

Is there any chance dusty has such a love for his alma mater and wants more than anything to return us to greatness after a year at Michigan or should I give up hope?

[Brass Cannon]

11 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

It's been so long I forgot that was even possible. Wisconsin can be a struggle in AH too.

Amazing what trying really hard can do 

[Unexpectedflash]

Scott if you’re reading this find a coach that has shown the ability to a coach a top 20 kenpom offense and top 40 defense. That’s what you need to win a title. Recruiting takes care of itself with NIL. Mark pope had that and is killing it. Dusty had that. Archie was never close and we saw that.  I’m not really sure who has that right now since the season is so early but that’s what you should be looking for. 

[MikeRoberts]

1 hour ago, bird4par said:

I saw more player movement on that offensive possession than I have seen so far this year from IU.  The ball movement was phenomenal. 

It wasn’t useless, fake effort like we see from IU. Any movement we see is useless, going through the motions vs being intentional 

[Pagoda]

34 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

Is there any chance dusty has such a love for his alma mater and wants more than anything to return us to greatness after a year at Michigan or should I give up hope?

His buyout is $5M and goes down $1M each year.  Not great, but doable.

[go iu bb]

10 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

His buyout is $5M and goes down $1M each year.  Not great, but doable.

Dolson has shown he is willing to spend money to win. 

Some actual footage of him in a strategy meeting: 

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, go iu bb said:

Dolson has shown he is willing to spend money to win. 

Some actual footage of him in a strategy meeting: 

Better make contact before Michigan renegotiates that contract 

[AZ Hoosier]

13 hours ago, sirhoosierlot said:

Messed up the link apparently. 
https://x.com/statsbywill/status/1375410310522224642?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1375410310522224642|twgr^fb793aeeb95469b17cd9c0b719eda0761aa4d88c|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Fathletic%2F2798730%2F2021%2F09%2F01%2Fmeet-ben-mccollum-the-division-ii-coach-winning-titles-and-turning-heads-across-college-basketball%2F

I think I counted 12 or 13 passes in that possession... multiple times the ball was in the hands of an open man...

Scheme is lightyears ahead of anything sleepy MMW could imagine.

[DChoosier]

2 hours ago, bird4par said:

I saw more player movement on that offensive possession than I have seen so far this year from IU.  The ball movement was phenomenal. 

To be honest I thought they over passed in that possession.I liked the movement for a while but they passed up at least 2-3 good shots. Will that many opportunities be available against better competition?

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

Amazing what trying really hard can do 

Them UM guys were never saddled with the hump.