They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Honestly there’s nothing wrong with this statement— I think some are taking it out of context or too personally. 

Among those two choices, I’m betting that “too personally “ is the far more prevalent.

[CSP]

5 minutes ago, bigrod said:

But he'll put up with it while cashing his check.

Did he legalize NIL? 

[8bucks]

1 minute ago, Mopladysman said:

In other words, you fans don’t know ****, stfu

Well in some cases maybe that applies.  We were told often there would be a mass exodus of players because Woody has lost the players.  Maybe there will be an exodus or maybe Leal and the players know better and there wont.  

Several on here went after X hard.  He should have been kicked off the team, he is terrible etc.  Maybe Leal sees what he brings and knows better.  

I am not bothered by the fact that the 7th - 10th player on the roster sticks up for his coach and tells us to chill.  

[CSP]

Just now, 8bucks said:

Well in some cases maybe that applies.  We were told often there would be a mass exodus of players because Woody has lost the players.  Maybe there will be an exodus or maybe Leal and the players know better and there wont.  

Several on here went after X hard.  He should have been kicked off the team, he is terrible etc.  Maybe Leal sees what he brings and knows better.  

I am not bothered by the fact that the 7th - 10th player on the roster sticks up for his coach and tells us to chill.  

I can't honestly believe it's still a discussion. I can understand what @Class of '66 Old Fart is saying in regards to Woodson and Leal's speeches being grouped, but AL's words bothering a grown adult.. meh. 

 

[IUHoosierJoe]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

If you look at this photo someone else posted there are actually 2 options for MR besides the one he chose - to drive.  KW has great post position and should be option 1 but sneaky little Leal is in a great spot for a back cut and with Ware sealing his man he might have had an easy layup

Agree, but assuming a Leal back cut, and Ware's position already, getting the ball to the rim is not a bad choice either because you have Ware and Leal in offensive rebounding position for either a putback or drawing a foul.

[maxwell]

26 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I'm sure Anthony Leal doesn't care for the tone of many of our fans. 

Not sure this applies to Leal, but I listened and watched player comments from another program recently and it sounds like many players are encouraged more and more by coaching staffs to ignore any "outside negative noise" if it exists. So based on his comments he is not silencing outside chatter.  I'm thankful and proud of him and others on this IU team to continue to grow and execute through the adversity during the last five games.
 

[Golfman25]

15 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

.....tell me where Leal actually attacks IU fans from what he said..... I just don't see it. If you think it's because he says "there's a reason you guys aren't coaches, so relax or .....you guys need to chill!" He is just addressing the fans to just calm down and obviously relax/chill. The part about, ...."there's a reason you guys aren't coaches", who cares! If some of you all think that was too strong or like being attacked, then IMO your way too sensitive. Good grief, maybe he said a little more then he anticipated, I don't know, ....but give him a little grace for sticking with this program as long as he has,  getting limited playing time AND loosing a very close friend. 

Leal, a Bloomington South graduate, said he wanted to "make something very clear."

"Adversity is part of sports," Leal said. "For those of you who are so quick to give up and call for quits and everything, there's a reason that you guys aren't coaches. So you relax. There's no other coach in the country that I would trust with anything in my life than coach Woodson. There's no other university that I would like to represent. We're going to run it back, but you guys got to chill."

How about this:

"Adversity is a part of sports.  And we as a team have to fight through it.  Guys like X are doing everything he can to fight thru his injuries and get back on the court to make a contribution.  I see him everyday in the training room and he's put together with athletic tape and ice.  Coach Woodson has us united and going in the right direction with 4 straight wins.  Guys like Ware are playing out of their mind.  There is no other coach . . . There is no other university that I would like to represent.  It's time for the greatest fans in college basketball to jump on board the bus and help us get to the promised land."  

[8bucks]

3 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

How about this:

"Adversity is a part of sports.  And we as a team have to fight through it.  Guys like X are doing everything he can to fight thru his injuries and get back on the court to make a contribution.  I see him everyday in the training room and he's put together with athletic tape and ice.  Coach Woodson has us united and going in the right direction with 4 straight wins.  Guys like Ware are playing out of their mind.  There is no other coach . . . There is no other university that I would like to represent.  It's time for the greatest fans in college basketball to jump on board the bus and help us get to the promised land."  

I agree that first part would have been great but some would have taken exception to him telling them they need to get on the bus.

"Who the **ll is he to tell us which bus to get on?"

"I was on that f.....n bus before he was born"

"Why didnt that lazy, selfish ego laden coach get them playing all year?"

"Sure he likes that bus that NIL $ paid for"

"I want a brand new bus"

[Hoosierfan2017]

It really isn’t hard to see why Leal’s comments rubbed people the wrong way. 

[OKHOOSIER]

53 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Leal's speech doesn't upset me very much (I do think the tone could have been better) but he was taking queues from his coach and I believe a lot of the "true fan" narrative is also related to treatment of Xavier, so also sticking up for his teammate. I like having a guy like that in the locker room even if it means adopting an "us against the world" mindset that a lot of fans may find off-putting. Woodson's speech is another topic but I've cooled off a lot about Leal. 

I said before I don’t really care that much about Leals comments, it’s whatever he was emotional. Poor taste for someone who profits off fan support. That’s it. The cues were taken from the coach, which is why in some ways I think the vitriol aimed at Leal is somewhat misguided. If people don’t like his comments, the anger should probably be directed at Woody, the leader, not Leal. Just my opinion a few days removed from it.

 I’ll push back some on the Xavier thing though, for the most part, any grief he’s gotten has been warranted throughout the season. It was not that long ago he pulled a Draymond on someone and Don Fischer was “embarrassed.” He didn’t miss a single game after that incident. But, again, it’s on the leader at least in part. 

[CSP]

12 minutes ago, maxwell said:

Not sure this applies to Leal, but I listened and watched player comments from another program recently and it sounds like many players are encouraged more and more by coaching staffs to ignore any "outside negative noise" if it exists. So based on his comments he is not silencing outside chatter.  I'm thankful and proud of him and others on this IU team to continue to grow and execute through the adversity during the last five games.
 

Meh.. we are a fanbase that ADORED when Bob Knight gave someone the business. I'm fine Leal's words. 

[go iu bb]

2 hours ago, theriverpilot said:

I think Woodson's biggest challenge in the upcoming portal season will be replacing Ware and his productivity.  

Over the past 5 games (5 game win streak), Ware has averaged a double-double per game (21.6 pts and 12.6 reb).  Going back through 11 games (I'm lazy and got tired of counting), he's still averaged a double-double with 18.6 pts and 10.8 rebs per game.  His poorest outing through that stretch was the OSU game where he only produced 6 points and 1 rebound.  

It's obviously not Woodson's only challenge since he'll be portal-dependant, but that could be a make or break for him if he fails to replace that kind of production.  

And please check my math. I suck at math.  
 

Absolutely. Early in the season IU would've lost those close games to bad teams without Ware. He's made a big impact all year, with only a few bad games.

[CSP]

13 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

How about this:

"Adversity is a part of sports.  And we as a team have to fight through it.  Guys like X are doing everything he can to fight thru his injuries and get back on the court to make a contribution.  I see him everyday in the training room and he's put together with athletic tape and ice.  Coach Woodson has us united and going in the right direction with 4 straight wins.  Guys like Ware are playing out of their mind.  There is no other coach . . . There is no other university that I would like to represent.  It's time for the greatest fans in college basketball to jump on board the bus and help us get to the promised land."  

Orrrrr... WE just say, "we'll take note Anthony" and move on? 

[maxwell]

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Meh.. we are a fanbase that ADORED when Bob Knight gave someone the business. I'm fine Leal's words. 

Poorly stated on my part.  I don't have a problem with Leal's words.  I feel he has absorbed criticism and dealt with it well.

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Chris has become a rabble rouser!

[OKHOOSIER]

9 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Orrrrr... WE just say, "we'll take note Anthony" and move on? 

Would it have been different for you if he had also said the quiet part out loud? “You guys need to chill, but please don’t stop buying from my NIL store and making sure I make money.” 
 

Again, I don’t personally care too much and after some reflection I can almost appreciate his loyalty to Woody whether or not I think it’s misguided. I am just trying to point out that there is a level of hypocrisy in his comments, and that’s probably what annoyed most people. 

[bigrod]

19 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Did he legalize NIL? 

This makes no sense. 

Do you know why he is getting a big NIL? Because of the fans.

For me, personally, it was the tone, and what he said. Yeah, I'm sure Woodson's comments contributed.

I have been a fan of this program since the early 80's. Luckily, I got to see some really good basketball. For the last 20 years though, this program has been totally mismanaged. But all along, it has stayed relevant. Do you know why? Because of the fans. I didn't hear anyone telling the fans to chill out when they were filling Assembly Hall in Crean's first two years when they hardly won a game. The fans have endured this sh*t show when the vast majority of programs would have been left for dead years ago. That is because of these fans who need to chill out.

'24 was a critical recruiting year and what do we have to show for it? If anyone can look at the trajectory of this program and say with a straight face that the needle is pointing up, they are as blind as the administration that continues to mismanage it. So for me, having someone act like the fans are supposed to sit idly by and watch this play out again and again, yeah, I take exception to what he said.

Pretty soon though, I'm afraid he will get his wish and the fans will chill out. 

[Chris007]

Just now, go iu bb said:

Chris has become a rabble rouser!

I had to look that up. That might be correct

[CSP]

1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Would it have been different for you if he had also said the quiet part out loud? “You guys need to chill, but please don’t stop buying from my NIL store and making sure I make money.” 
 

Again, I don’t personally care too much and after some reflection I can almost appreciate his loyalty to Woody whether or not I think it’s misguided. I am just trying to point out that there is a level of hypocrisy in his comments, and that’s probably what annoyed most people. 

So AL is indebted to the fans? lol 

I see no hypocrisy. 

[Golfman25]

12 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Orrrrr... WE just say, "we'll take note Anthony" and move on? 

Problem is, as an untrue fan I have.  I am numb to these guys.  Last night should have been an exciting game.  I should have been up and down off the couch the last 2 min, yelling screaming, jumping, etc. (Yes I'm freaking nuts).  Instead I was just sitting there, watching -- ok, lets see what they do.  When Leal made his play, I said good for him.  2 freaking weeks ago I would have been streaking thru the neighborhood and fired up for tonight.  I don't know if I can get it back this season.