Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,897]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Tom Allen last win was Wisconsin if I'm not mistaken.

yeah we promptly blew games against ILL and PU after that.... we actually could have gotten into a bowl at 5-7 lol 

[theriverpilot 5,589]

38 minutes ago, southsidehoosier said:

Someone needs to do the wolverine laying bed photo meme with woody and X

Best I can do on short notice

[AH1971 1,446]

3 minutes ago, btownqb said:

yeah we promptly blew games against ILL and PU after that.... we actually could have gotten into a bowl at 5-7 lol 

And Michigan State

[Tom White 1,435]

10 hours ago, Hornsby said:

They might be whiffing cause they refuse to go after the guys who are proven winners. I have no idea if true but if we could of had pearl we didn't whiff we just refused to hire him. Crean sort of hand some success but also crap seasons. Woodson had nothing in college. Plus the crean hire was probably the least attractive for coaches given it was a 100% complete rebuild with no portal.

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This is one of the things I appreciate about Crean. It was possibly the worst of circumstances, and he took it and ran as best as he knew how. He at least gave us some hope amid a disastrous period.

[kottke 766]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Tom Allen last win was Wisconsin if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,897]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

And Michigan State

forgot that game was afterwards, as well, we got royally F'ed at the end of that game, but yeah. 

We should have won that one, as well. 

[southsidehoosier 4,972]

11 minutes ago, theriverpilot said:

Best I can do on short notice

Hang it in the Louvre
 

[Hovadipo 55,100]

31 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

At this point this would be my email to Scott Dolson: 

To Mr. Scott Dolson,

Will Mike Woodson for sure be the coach at Indiana University next year?
  
                   Circle one: 

            1. Yes 

            2. No

            3. Heck no, and I’m surprised you                                  even gave me option #1
 

You can’t give him the out of just not responding. Give him the ole “if you don’t respond to any of the options, that’s an auto-No.”

[Trish 11,505]

Has Woodson been fired yet? I'm tired of this clown show. Whoever pulled the fire alarm last night is in debt to Indiana Basketball and Woodson. They don't win without that fire alarm.

[JF87 1,413]

6 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

For all you “Woody needs to go” guys - this doesn’t change a damn thing. Calm the heck down. You may still get your wish or may not but this doesn’t change it. 

The real question you should be asking is why did they play so much harder? Why when so many have said he has “lost the locker room”

If there was a deeper look and understanding of team psychology you might see it. If you have played at a high level, you might. If your extent of bb knowledge is watching and understanding analytics you might not. 

Feel free to answer that honestly. I promise you no matter how it may seem as a positive for Woody, your reply won’t be used in court when deciding Woody’s fate. 

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I interpret this to mean that moving on from Woodson after this year is more about who may be available than wins and losses from this point.  So, if a big name that's a no-brainer becomes available the administration may act.  Reminds me of the Cubs.  They were going to stay with Renteria and then Joe Maddon became available or more recently Craig Counsell became available, so Ross was let go.  

[Tom White 1,435]

7 hours ago, IUrocker said:

 

In the immortal words of John McEnroe "You Cannot Be Serious".

[IUc2016 7,121]

Last night was not a recipe for sustained success. The game IU plays has such a small margin for error.

Wisconsin took 22 more shots, had 9 less turnovers, however only took 3 free throws.

IU had to play a perfect game to win, just not something that can be expected. It is why we see IU lose big and win small. 

Nothing will change.

[hper50 1,186]

@ Maryland

@ Minnesota

vs. Michigan State

My guess is this slight win at home over a sinking team will soon be forgotten

[Chris007 43,567]

Just now, IUc2016 said:

Last night was not a recipe for sustained success. The game IU plays has such a small margin for error.

Wisconsin took 22 more shore shots, had 9 less turnovers, however only took 3 free throws.

IU had to play a perfect game to win, just not something that can be expected. It is why we see IU lose big and win small. 

Nothing will change.

Yes if the game was called normal or close we lose easily. We foul a lot and were only called for 8 fouls, Malik had 5 of those.

[HinnyHoosier 4,773]

41 minutes ago, iubhounds2 said:

Many IU football fans felt the same way about Dolson before he fired Tom Allen.

True, which can be encouraging in its own right. But this is a different circumstance because of the presumed Quinn-IU guy-good 'ol boy narrative. IU has never ever taken football seriously and Dolson could do that part of his job without much resistance, if any. 

IU basketball is a bigger and more political beast. 

[JSHoosier 19,826]

https://hoosierillustrated.com/this-season-should-have-shown-mike-woodson-his-roster-construction-didnt-work-instead-he-is-doubling-down-on-his-system/

When we win it's when two bigs are on the floor; no kidding, it's about all he does because he built the roster to play that way.

[Feathery 4,005]

7 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

For all you “Woody needs to go” guys - this doesn’t change a damn thing. Calm the heck down. You may still get your wish or may not but this doesn’t change it. 

The real question you should be asking is why did they play so much harder? Why when so many have said he has “lost the locker room”

If there was a deeper look and understanding of team psychology you might see it. If you have played at a high level, you might. If your extent of bb knowledge is watching and understanding analytics you might not. 

Feel free to answer that honestly. I promise you no matter how it may seem as a positive for Woody, your reply won’t be used in court when deciding Woody’s fate. 

I think the roster has good individual talent but when put together as a team the pieces don’t fit. And that roster construction is the reason the team struggles. Woodson is a NBA guy and will play his individual talent. Notice when Reneau was on the bench the floor spacing was better and Ware was stellar. Guys made 3’s as well but our starting SG went 0-4. The game is a blowout with a SG that can shoot better and a PG upgrade.
 

With or without Woody next year  the roster construction needs fixed. Even if it means playing small ball for 1 season. Not ideal to play small but it would work well on offense and be a tourney team. 
PG - Portal (athletic/be able to shoot)

SG - Portal (athletic/be able to shoot)

Wing/SF - McNeeley

Wing/PF - Mgbako

C - Reneau (or get a Portal shot blocker)

 

 

[Chris007 43,567]

3 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

True, which can be encouraging in its own right. But this is a different circumstance because of the presumed Quinn-IU guy-good 'ol boy narrative. IU has never ever taken football seriously and Dolson could do that part of his job without much resistance, if any. 

IU basketball is a bigger and more political beast. 

More than anything it's not going to be if IU wins any more games or not. It will be about if Dolson can get a proven coach locked up. If he does that then it doesn't matter if we win out. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,944]

6 minutes ago, hper50 said:

@ Maryland

@ Minnesota

vs. Michigan State

My guess is this slight win at home over a sinking team will soon be forgotten

i seriously think we win 2 of them.  not that it matters too much but that's what i expect.  

[Free Jurkin! 1,496]

I got my appropriate smart@$$ response out of the way, but I'll also take you up on the gracious offer to answer honestly. And this has been my answer since the Kansas game. This is a bad team. It's been the case since game one, as evidenced by it having nothing but unimpressive wins and a bunch of embarrassing losses. They are nothing if not consistent, but have been, all season, a bad team. Even bad teams have the ability to get up for a big game at home here and there (see: Kansas, Wisconsin). But hey, what do I know. The extent of my bb knowledge is just plain ol' watching.

Indiana is a bad team, but with a lot of talent. The talent just often doesn't make sense together. Everybody in the starting lineup is a 4 or 5*. So for small stretches, things can click. But the lack of cohesion/plan is a killer outside of small glimmers of hope.


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