Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Pagoda 467]

5 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Damn. That ***** tyme just blocked me cause I called BS on his claims that there is too much pressure to coach and play basketball at IU.  

Tyme is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on X.  He was dead wrong about this season.  His posts are embarrassing.  And now the blame the fans narrative is starting from him and the pro-Woody crew because they have nothing else to go to after Woody still struggled with top-5 NIL.  Sometimes I even see them try to criticize the FB program -- they are a desperate bunch.  Many of them will root against IU once Woody is fired.

Fans are not the problem.  In fact, one of the few blue blood/elite thing we have left are our fans.  But fans just cheer, donate, and react to wins/losses (almost entirely online -- in person the team is treated like gods 99% of the time).  Fans don't recruit and coach the team that either wins or loses (duh).

There is not that much pressure to coach or play at IU.  The bar isn't that high.  After Woody's first two mediocre to okay years, fanbase support was very strong.  Things only went south when TJD left and Woody's program literally imploded.  Show me a fanbase happy with an imploding program.  Go back to the Crean years -- fans were impressively patient during three very down years of rebuilding.

The fact is IUBB has broken the unwritten pact with the fans.  Fans really want to support IUBB, but IUBB has to put forth maximum effort and make a competent attempt to be good.  Everyone sees the lack of effort, from recruiting to on the court, and we all know the pathetic behind the scenes stories too.  Everyone sees the lack of competence, from missing on almost every HS recruit for two years despite top-5 NIL, to all the bad losses/blowouts to programs with far less resources.

Maybe even worse than the lack of effort and competency, is Woody and others around the program refusing take responsibility and ownership for the results on the court.  This is the most basic thing they need to do to succeed, and they can't even do that.  They blame injuries, blame fans, blame recruits, and try to argue they're actually doing well.  Pathetic.

Woody and his cronies have done serious damage to IUBB.  And it appears they aren't done.  On the way out, it looks like we'll get another attack on the fans, which will turn more people off on IUBB.  It's a shame, IUBB is special, but the people running it have ruined it.  I can only hope Scott and the next coach can completely clean house and get rid of the toxic leadership that has wrecked the program.

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34 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Fans are not the problem.  In fact, one of the few blue blood/elite thing we have left are our fans. 

This is the truth.
 

An off shoot of that is boosters who are willing to step up and pay a coach big. Other than that there’s nothing about this program that separates it from any middling P5 program. 
 

 

[str8baller 5,315]

4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Goode is smart and well coached but if he’s not hitting shots he gets absolutely bullied on the defensive end. You are right about his movement, him being shot ready, him attempting the right things on D. But in the end it doesn’t matter if your guy can drive you and bully you into a layup every possession. He gets a lot of great looks because he’s well coached but he has to make 3 or 4 of them. The D is bad.

No complaints from Hatton tonight. He was excellent everywhere. I’ve mostly enjoyed his play all season in the little amount of time he gets.


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D, even more so than O, is a team concept. What Demo is saying is that in a proper scheme Goode can hold his own because he’s willing and smart enough.  He’s not a great 1 on 1 defender, but what does that matter? We’ve had good 1 on 1 perimeter defenders and still give up open 3s like it’s morning shoot around. 
 

This teams D is bad because of one person, and he isn’t wearing a jersey. 

[Hoosier DaDa 2,501]

8 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I hope all the king’s “Buckner” horses “boosters” and all the king’s men “BOTs” doesn’t let Woody have a year 5 at Indiana again.

[LamarCheeks 19,058]

11 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

Don’t like that I disagree then ignore me. Pretty simple 

You repeatedly comment on posts with which you disagree. 

Yet now you're suggesting that when folks disagree with you, they should just ignore you? 

[Juwan Moye 261]

Meanwhile, let’s check in on how Dusty May is doing over at Michigan.

[hper50 1,225]

@Chris007 come tell us something to cheer us up :(

[str8baller 5,315]

11 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

Meanwhile, let’s check in on how Dusty May is doing over at Michigan.

If…and I emphasize “if”…he turns out to be a great coach, I wonder how the “every IU coach gets 4yrs” crowd will feel knowing he surely had to be ours for the taking if only we would’ve booted an obviously failing coach last year. 

[Hoosier987 1,201]

10 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

Hopefully he still bleeds crimson and cream if we turn to him. People actually thought he would be another Archie Miller and wanted to see him succeed at this level somewhere else. Well, we're seeing it. 

I think Dusty will. His buyout isn’t significant and that probably has something to do with us calling him.

[Hoosier987 1,201]

11 minutes ago, str8baller said:

If…and I emphasize “if”…he turns out to be a great coach, I wonder how the “every IU coach gets 4yrs” crowd will feel knowing he surely had to be ours for the taking if only we would’ve booted an obviously failing coach last year. 

I think Dusty can still be ours. He breaths IUBB. As mentioned in my post above, his buyout isn’t very large —  that was done purposely 

[IUFAN1976 3,246]

1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said:

I think Dusty can still be ours. He breaths IUBB. As mentioned in my post above, his buyout isn’t very large —  that was done purposely 

I agree!  

[IUFAN1976 3,246]

30 minutes ago, Juwan Moye said:

Meanwhile, let’s check in on how Dusty May is doing over at Michigan.

I do know his team leads the B10 in turnover rate!  Now I would assume it’s because he’s installing a new system will pretty much all new players.  Also, when was the last time MW and team beat a team by almost 40 points?

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1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

Things only went south when TJD left and Woody's program literally imploded.  Show me a fanbase happy with an imploding program.

The fact is IUBB has broken the unwritten pact with the fans.  Fans really want to support IUBB, but IUBB has to put forth maximum effort and make a competent attempt to be good. 

Maybe even worse than the lack of effort and competency, is Woody and others around the program refusing take responsibility and ownership for the results on the court.  This is the most basic thing they need to do to succeed, and they can't even do that.

16 minutes ago, str8baller said:

If…and I emphasize “if”…he turns out to be a great coach, I wonder how the “every IU coach gets 4yrs” crowd will feel knowing he surely had to be ours for the taking if only we would’ve booted an obviously failing coach last year. 

 

This is why I’m so aggrieved with IUBB this season. It’s painfully obvious Woody should have been told he’s retiring last offseason and we hired May - it made too much sense. I could almost tolerate the inaction if Woody and staff were busting their butts and showing effort/improvement, but the lack of accountability or any real culture in the program is a smack in the face to fans who want to support greatness. Good will from his first two years with TJD and Buckner were enough to buy him a 4th year he didn’t deserve and even the fans could see it. That reeks to me. Does just go to show how generationally awesome TJD was to single-handedly power those teams into the tournament despite the staff. 

[IUFAN1976 3,246]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

Tyme is one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on X.  He was dead wrong about this season.  His posts are embarrassing.  And now the blame the fans narrative is starting from him and the pro-Woody crew because they have nothing else to go to after Woody still struggled with top-5 NIL.  Sometimes I even see them try to criticize the FB program -- they are a desperate bunch.  Many of them will root against IU once Woody is fired.

Fans are not the problem.  In fact, one of the few blue blood/elite thing we have left are our fans.  But fans just cheer, donate, and react to wins/losses (almost entirely online -- in person the team is treated like gods 99% of the time).  Fans don't recruit and coach the team that either wins or loses (duh).

There is not that much pressure to coach or play at IU.  The bar isn't that high.  After Woody's first two mediocre to okay years, fanbase support was very strong.  Things only went south when TJD left and Woody's program literally imploded.  Show me a fanbase happy with an imploding program.  Go back to the Crean years -- fans were impressively patient during three very down years of rebuilding.

The fact is IUBB has broken the unwritten pact with the fans.  Fans really want to support IUBB, but IUBB has to put forth maximum effort and make a competent attempt to be good.  Everyone sees the lack of effort, from recruiting to on the court, and we all know the pathetic behind the scenes stories too.  Everyone sees the lack of competence, from missing on almost every HS recruit for two years despite top-5 NIL, to all the bad losses/blowouts to programs with far less resources.

Maybe even worse than the lack of effort and competency, is Woody and others around the program refusing take responsibility and ownership for the results on the court.  This is the most basic thing they need to do to succeed, and they can't even do that.  They blame injuries, blame fans, blame recruits, and try to argue they're actually doing well.  Pathetic.

Woody and his cronies have done serious damage to IUBB.  And it appears they aren't done.  On the way out, it looks like we'll get another attack on the fans, which will turn more people off on IUBB.  It's a shame, IUBB is special, but the people running it have ruined it.  I can only hope Scott and the next coach can completely clean house and get rid of the toxic leadership that has wrecked the program.

Well said!  Fans are not the problem, it’s MW, the administration and his cronies!  

[IUFAN1976 3,246]

10 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

There is a reason he has regressed. 

MW?

[IUFAN1976 3,246]

9 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

It’s more, had a great fall!  But my real fear is they couldn’t put the IUBB program back together again!

[coonhounds 9,028]

You people crack me up thinking dusty is going to come here! We had our chance last year! Not everyone on here wanted him but most felt like it was good. His buyout is low cause michigan was conservative but giving his early success that will change and probably during conference play if they are doing good. Michigan is a football school but they have had great success at basketball. Dusty will get paid huge at michigan if he builds it to elite status again and he knows that. Imo leaving that and coming to our **** show would be a huge gamble and not smart. I think the reward of getting iu elite again would be better for him but the risk is high and not worth it. You guys acr like michigan is incarnate word or world or whatever it is!

 

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[Hoosier987 1,201]

27 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I do know his team leads the B10 in turnover rate!  Now I would assume it’s because he’s installing a new system will pretty much all new players.  Also, when was the last time MW and team beat a team by almost 40 points?

Can’t remember Woodson ever beating a team by a wide margin like this….certainly not in the last couple of seasons.  
         Beating a good WKU team by 40 points is exactly what gives your NET rankings a big boost. Woodson and his teams still haven’t figured out that just winning is not good enough, you need to beat these teams by a large margin. In fact, just about every mid major team we win against, we drop in metrics because we always underperform. Think about it, our winning against teams like Winthrop and Chattanooga is actually a NET negative. Idk, maybe Woodson’s teams just aren’t good enough to beat mid and low majors by a wide margin…but it’s pathetic and again points to the notion that there is a serious disconnect with the Team/Program.

[Hoosier987 1,201]

4 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

You people crack me up thinking dusty is going to come here! We had are chance last year! Not everyone on here wanted him but most felt like it was good. His buyout is low cause michigan was conservative but giving his early success that will change and probably during conference play if they are doing good. Michigan is a football school but they have had great success at basketball. Dusty will get paid huge at michigan if he builds it to elite status again and he knows that. Imo leaving that and coming to our **** show would be a huge gamble and not smart. I think the reward of getting iu elite again would be better for him but the risk is high and not worth it. You guys acr like michigan is incarnate word or world or whatever it is!

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He’ll come.

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11 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

It’s more, had a great fall!  But my real fear is they couldn’t put the IUBB program back together again!

So the King’s men failed?