Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier 20,573]

10 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Yeah I was fully on board at the time, but I really don’t think he could’ve done worse than what we’ve gotten the last 8 years from Miller/Woodson. 

I remember being in campus and looking forward to Davis leaving. Now we have a coach that makes Mike Davis look good.

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10 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

McCollum would be about 4th or 5th on my list, but you have to remember he's coaching D-2 transfers. If shortening the game works best for them, that's what they need to do. He may not play such a slow pace if he has better talent. I'm reminded of how Wisconsin was the slowest team in the Kenpom era under Bo Ryan, then when he had Final Four talent he turned them loose. 

That's a good point. I guess the question is what kind of tempo did his D2 teams play at? Has anyone on this site watched any of those games? Have you, @Uspshoosier?

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36 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

That's a good point. I guess the question is what kind of tempo did his D2 teams play at? Has anyone on this watched any of those games? Have you, @Uspshoosier?

Not enough.  I’ve watched some of the championship games they played.  This year is the first time watching his teams closely.  Definitely doesn’t push the pace however if it results in big time wins and deep March runs then people will tolerate the snail pace 

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10 hours ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

I don't know this writer... but I don't like her

https://hoosierstateofmind.com/bringing-in-harun-zrno-could-have-just-bought-mike-w-01jjf2b405zd

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With the internet and hundreds of college basketball "sites," pretty much anybody can write an article -- and they really don't have to know what they're talking about. 

I could almost guarantee you that just about everybody on BTB knows way more about IU basketball than Ericka Brockish.

"The recruits he is bringing in" --  you mean the TWO?

"If Indiana wants to keep this international star, then they probably have to keep Woodson, too." That's almost comical. We'd keep a coach because of one Bosnian recruit? That might be the rationale Quinn Buckner and Steve Ferguson would try to employ -- but very unlikely anybody else would. 

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9 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Big fan of Bryce Drew currently at Grand Canyon...

He was terrific at Valpo and at GC as well.  But was absolutely terrible at Vandy who is now having a great season.  Not sure he’s cut out for a big boy job.

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25 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Not enough.  I’ve watched some of the championship games they played.  This year is the first time watching his teams closely.  Definitely doesn’t push the pace however if it results in big time wins and deep March runs then people will tolerate the snail pace 

He looks like he knows what he is doing on the sidelines and Drake  played with purpose. Was fun to watch him live ran the show for sure. 

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8 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Facebook is pure comedy. His remaining crew is going with your a hater if you dont support him because it means you don't support the team. They are really outnumbered now though.

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Yes they are, even most of the media have turned on them!

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Sitting here contemplating how much IU gear to put on today before I make the 1.5 hr drive. Think maybe just a hat and shirt? Want to support the team but so ready for a change.

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20 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

He was terrific at Valpo and at GC as well.  But was absolutely terrible at Vandy who is now having a great season.  Not sure he’s cut out for a big boy job.

People should take a look at the current vandy coach Mark Byington also. Just beat Kentucky and they play a fast 5 out modern offense. He was at James Madison the year before so maybe a Cig part 2.

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11 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

People should take a look at the current vandy coach Mark Byington also. Just beat Kentucky and they play a fast 5 out modern offense. He was at James Madison the year before so maybe a Cig part 2.

One million percent yes.

Also, Jerrod Calhoun at Utah State and Micah.

Calhoun’s buyout is low; Vandy and ND are private schools so there isn’t public info on their contract terms.

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22 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

One million percent yes.

Also, Jerrod Calhoun at Utah State and Micah.

Calhoun’s buyout is low; Vandy and ND are private schools so there isn’t public info on their contract terms.

Stuhoo, almost positive you have been asked this before, so apologies. 

What makes you like Micah or think he would have success here? 

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32 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

One million percent yes.

Also, Jerrod Calhoun at Utah State and Micah.

Calhoun’s buyout is low; Vandy and ND are private schools so there isn’t public info on their contract terms.

You lost me at Micah. 

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14 hours ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

Is this a thing? I honestly haven’t heard of him having any concerns. 

It’s not likely, that Self is done after this year. There’s nothing concrete on that being even remotely close to happening 

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42 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

One million percent yes.

Also, Jerrod Calhoun at Utah State and Micah.

Calhoun’s buyout is low; Vandy and ND are private schools so there isn’t public info on their contract terms.

Shrews hasn't shown me anything... but I like Jerrod Calhoun quite a bit.

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46 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

One million percent yes.

Also, Jerrod Calhoun at Utah State and Micah.

Calhoun’s buyout is low; Vandy and ND are private schools so there isn’t public info on their contract terms.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,277]

There were some questions earlier about Ben McCollom's pace of play when he was at D2 Northwest Missouri.  As a few of you may know, I do metrics as sort of a side hustle, so I am relying on that without ever having seen his teams play.

It is almost impossible to find tempo-based stats for the D2 level like Pomeroy does for D1.  However, Kenneth Massey's site has offensive and defensive scoring stats adjusted for opponents.  Those stats are NOT adjusted for tempo, but some conclusions can be drawn just from looking at the stats he provides.

In going over McCollom's season-by-season stats and rankings in D2, he led the nation in adjusted scoring defense basically every year. His offensive adjusted scoring stats ranged anywhere from the teens to the low-100s, out of around 300 teams in D2.

If you want a comparison at the D1 level during that period, the best comparison would be Tony Bennett at Virginia.  I will say, though, that McCollom's adjusted scoring offenses generally ranked somewhat higher than Bennett's Virginia offenses did at the D1 level. That could mean McCollom's tempo or pace was a bit faster, or simply that McCollom coached more efficient offenses.  In any event, my conclusion is that those two coaches, at least statistically, are pretty similar.

I will add that I noticed Northwest Missouri has fallen off the map this year with a record of 4-15, and it doesn't appear they were very good before he got there, either.  So, he was certainly a difference-maker there.    

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1 hour ago, monskisprodigy said:

Stuhoo, almost positive you have been asked this before, so apologies. 

What makes you like Micah or think he would have success here? 

What makes me a Micah fan? Everything except won/loss record at Notre Dame (which clearly is no small thing):

-Modern style of play

-College lifer

-Local ties

-NBA experience 

-Personality (watch him interviewed—very likable but he is also very blunt)

-Prior success in the B1G

-He would want the job

-Young

-Clean background

Basketball coach at Notre Dame is a really tough job. A P5 schedule with limited resources and very high admission standards, especially for portal which makes it impossible to rebuild quickly. On top of that he has had major injuries to his most talented players this year. I know it’s a very different era and no one is like RMK, but I feel like there are similarities between Micah and RMK at Army.

I am reasonably confident that he would consistently succeed in a real way at Indiana.

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FWIW: as a very much dark horse flier, I am also intrigued by Amile Jefferson. I am so itching for a 25 year+ era-long solution.

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[Hoosierfan2017 22,103]

How much do the Terps have to win by to rid us of Coach Mike Woodson?

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13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

What makes me a Micah fan? Everything except won/loss record at Notre Dame (which clearly is no small thing):

-Modern style of play

-College lifer

-Local ties

-NBA experience 

-Personality (watch him interviewed—very likable but he is also very blunt)

-Prior success in the B1G

-He would want the job

-Young

-Clean background

Basketball coach at Notre Dame is a really tough job. A P5 schedule with limited resources and very high admission standards, especially for portal which makes it impossible to rebuild quickly. On top of that he has had major injuries to his most talented players this year. I know it’s a very different era and no one is like RMK, but I feel like there are similarities between Micah and RMK at Army.

I am reasonably confident that he would consistently succeed in a real way at Indiana.

So, everything but for the most important thing… Hiring a guy with 1 winning season in 6 years as a college head coach would be very on brand for recent IU, though.