Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Hoosierfan2017 21,550]

3 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

And honestly, back to the roster construction, I don't know where this new 5* fits in.  The kid was wanting to go to the Ignite "pro" ball before it folded.  This is a kid who wants to be in the NBA ASAP.  He isn't going to want to ride the bench.  I don't see a starting spot for him that works unless you slide Mgbako to the 4 and Reneau to the 5.  Both things that Woodson has been loathe to do.  Additionally, both things that leave us really susceptible on defense and rebounding.  People are also saying we are high on the Perkins kid, so say you add him.  What are we looking at for a starting lineup?

Perkins, Galloway, Tucker, Mgbako, Reneau? I doubt it.  How comfortable are we with Perkins, Tucker, Mgbako, Reneau, rim protector we haven't landed yet?  I would almost bet dollars to donuts the roster will be closer to the latter.  And that is a talented roster but I don't think it is a roster built to really compete at higher levels.

The staff has to add shooting to the starting lineup, not the bench.  I haven't really seen that addressed yet (granted we still have half the team to fill but if Mgbako stays, I believe we already have 3 starters set.)

MM did shoot 38% from 3 on 4.9 attempts during conference play, so we may get some shooting from him next year. If he plays at the 4 that would be great, but I’d be surprised if Woodson goes that route after his first three years. He wants to play through the post and doesn’t value the 3 ball  

I’m generally in favor of acquiring talent and worrying about the fit later, but not with this coach. Tucker/MM/Reneau at the 3-5 would be the ideal situation offensively, but not defensively. That’s the problem when you’re filling 6-7 roster spots. You have to take talent when you can get it, but the. The fit can become all jumbled. 

[Chris007 44,147]

3 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

Take ‘er for a ride…. If you like sweet wines like we do, (mainly my wife, I’m actually an IPA snob) lol…., it will be your new favorite.

Not to derail the thread but do you have a favorite IPA these days? I can't find anything new that I like. I'm stuck on Founders all day series mostly because I like buying 15 at a time instead of 6. 

I've heard that Woodson hates beer so for that he should be fired

[JF87 1,492]

13 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I agree with this. If Coach Woodson wanted me to play golf with him this afternoon at Pfau I would be there with my best bottle of wine. Which is probably something from Oliver Winery so not very good. We sat and talked for almost an hour at Uptown one night, I loved his stories. I just don't think his coaching style is a good fit. I don't think he can or will or wants to change. I wish he would retire so we don't have to say fire Mike Woodson

Coach Woodson has three assistants and Armond Hill to discuss basketball and strategize with.  Randy Wittman and I believe one other person were hired as consultants the last few years to provide input to coach Woodson.  The fact that we don't value the three-point shot and incorporate analytics into our style of play and roster construction is all on Mike Woodson.  The information has to have been provided to him, so I have to assume he just chooses to ignore it. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,719]

22 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

I prefer Blackberry Purple Toad … my wife’s favorite.

 

[iu eyedoc 2,057]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

I think I am one! 

I never waivered from "Dusty not Woody in 2024"  and "no Woody in 2025," but I am also genuinely happy at the prospect of Tucker, and potentially Perkins, Conwell, etc. 

Maybe I'm a "party sunny with a chance of heavy storms" guy?

More like you are enjoying the brief sunshine from inside the eye of hurricane Michael as it passes over.   Which I have done twice living in the FL panhandle.

[Stuhoo 81,273]

Just now, iu eyedoc said:

More like you are enjoying the brief sunshine from inside the eye of hurricane Michael as it passes over.   Which I have done twice living in the FL panhandle.

Interesting analogy. Storms passed/storms ahead, and good roster additions are the eye of the hurricane. Gonna remember that one.

[OKHOOSIER 2,482]

31 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

And honestly, back to the roster construction, I don't know where this new 5* fits in.  The kid was wanting to go to the Ignite "pro" ball before it folded.  This is a kid who wants to be in the NBA ASAP.  He isn't going to want to ride the bench.  I don't see a starting spot for him that works unless you slide Mgbako to the 4 and Reneau to the 5.  Both things that Woodson has been loathe to do.  Additionally, both things that leave us really susceptible on defense and rebounding.  People are also saying we are high on the Perkins kid, so say you add him.  What are we looking at for a starting lineup?

Perkins, Galloway, Tucker, Mgbako, Reneau? I doubt it.  How comfortable are we with Perkins, Tucker, Mgbako, Reneau, rim protector we haven't landed yet?  I would almost bet dollars to donuts the roster will be closer to the latter.  And that is a talented roster but I don't think it is a roster built to really compete at higher levels.

The staff has to add shooting to the starting lineup, not the bench.  I haven't really seen that addressed yet (granted we still have half the team to fill but if Mgbako stays, I believe we already have 3 starters set.)

We had a guy using “getting to know the team” in February as an excuse. And now he needs to turnover over half the roster. You hit the nail on the head with how I view Tucker. Liam filled an obvious and quantifiable need on this roster. Tucker really doesn’t other than filling out the roster. And I agree with you on the NBA thing. He didn’t just come here to come off the bench. So my assumption is what we have is our out of position 2 guard that can’t shoot 3s pushing Gallo to the bench and keep playing MM and MR out of position. I’d almost wager a bet we land someone much better than a bench rim protector. Woody will land a high level 5. And it will be Groundhog Day. 

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17 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not to derail the thread but do you have a favorite IPA these days? I can't find anything new that I like. I'm stuck on Founders all day series mostly because I like buying 15 at a time instead of 6. 

I've heard that Woodson hates beer so for that he should be fired

3 Floyds has a new variant called Armond Dust...

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,473]

You guys know me. I wanted to move on. Especially if it could have been Oats.

Pearl I would have loved more 5 years ago, but still would have supported that.

May, I’m not as sold on as many others but he’s got big potential. But he’s not a sure thing.

The second aspect in all of this is style of play. Taking winning aside.
Alabama, UNC, even Illinois, Purdue. But there are many examples of offenses, probably 150 of them I enjoy over Indiana. That’s ridiculous and that is something that needs changed. But it’s not Woody.

The voluptuous warchest is definitely a glimmer of hope. It’s actually the only hope. And it does lead to some excitement from me. But then I remember our staffs choices thus far and I have reservations again. Tony Perkins, of all the options? Is that really what we want to do?

I’ve lost 100% of my confidence in Woody’s system but I haven’t lost 100% of confidence in what a great roster can do. Do I think our achievement is capped? Yeah.

It’s a mixed bag of emotions but since it’s Woody, at least he’s got a warchest or I’d be checked out.

Next year decides his fate.


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[Artie86 1,976]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I agree with this. If Coach Woodson wanted me to play golf with him this afternoon at Pfau I would be there with my best bottle of wine. Which is probably something from Oliver Winery so not very good. We sat and talked for almost an hour at Uptown one night, I loved his stories. I just don't think his coaching style is a good fit. I don't think he can or will or wants to change. I wish he would retire so we don't have to say fire Mike Woodson

Also agree,….. I almost wish he was 10-20 years younger at this point, had descent college coaching experience under his belt prior to IU, then this could/might or maybe be a well written story. JMO

It’s no secret that he has owed most everything to Coach Knight and what he did for him as a player and a man. Unfortunately his approach is a bit outdated and crass. 
I have no doubt that Coach Woodson wants the world for IU Basketball and he knows he’s late to the college game. IMO, He’s most likely living/practicing the old adage, “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em”, when it comes to constructing a roster with the NIL.

He may be thinking he’s a little too old and doesn’t have the energy to get out on the rigorous recruiting trail, like seasoned NCAA coaches do. I know this screams, “then why are you gambling with time and IU’s money?”

Finally, I honestly think he wants this one last shot to bring prominence and national notoriety to IU before he retires. Like it or not, If it wasn’t for NIL, Coach Woodson would most likely already be fired. JMHO

 

[Artie86 1,976]

35 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not to derail the thread but do you have a favorite IPA these days? I can't find anything new that I like. I'm stuck on Founders all day series mostly because I like buying 15 at a time instead of 6. 

I've heard that Woodson hates beer so for that he should be fired

Here’s my current favorite… 

….nothing fancy, but LOVE the taste!

 

 

[moyemayhem 1,287]

18 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Coach Woodson has three assistants and Armond Hill to discuss basketball and strategize with.  Randy Wittman and I believe one other person were hired as consultants the last few years to provide input to coach Woodson.  The fact that we don't value the three-point shot and incorporate analytics into our style of play and roster construction is all on Mike Woodson.  The information has to have been provided to him, so I have to assume he just chooses to ignore it. 

It's remarkable that one of the pioneers of basketball analytics, Wayne Winston, works less than a mile from assembly hall, and I don't believe any coach at IU has been receptive to his input or help.   The egos on college basketball coaches are something else.

[Artie86 1,976]

21 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

3 Floyds has a new variant called Armond Dust...

I do like their Zombie Dust….

[OKHOOSIER 2,482]

37 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

You guys know me. I wanted to move on. Especially if it could have been Oats.

Pearl I would have loved more 5 years ago, but still would have supported that.

May, I’m not as sold on as many others but he’s got big potential. But he’s not a sure thing.

The second aspect in all of this is style of play. Taking winning aside.
Alabama, UNC, even Illinois, Purdue. But there are many examples of offenses, probably 150 of them I enjoy over Indiana. That’s ridiculous and that is something that needs changed. But it’s not Woody.

The voluptuous warchest is definitely a glimmer of hope. It’s actually the only hope. And it does lead to some excitement from me. But then I remember our staffs choices thus far and I have reservations again. Tony Perkins, of all the options? Is that really what we want to do?

I’ve lost 100% of my confidence in Woody’s system but I haven’t lost 100% of confidence in what a great roster can do. Do I think our achievement is capped? Yeah.

It’s a mixed bag of emotions but since it’s Woody, at least he’s got a warchest or I’d be checked out.

Next year decides his fate.


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Bruh. I am tempted to refer to our NIL funds as The Voluptuous Warchest forever now. 

[iu2win 16]

First time posting here. Like so many other longtime IU grads/fans, I was disappointed with the outcome this season and I began to have doubts about Coach Woodson’s ability to coach at the college level.  Then, senior night happened; and Woodson brought the “true fans” and “I’m doing my job” and “understand that” comments.  It seemed to me he had burned bridges at that point and IU would have no choice but to head in a new direction.  Instead, IU loaded him up with NIL money and his first “lock” is another 5 star forward who signed with IU (when his NBA second league gig fell through). IU fans see what Woodson obviously can’t see . . . what he is doing isn’t working and more of the same is not the answer!

[Banksyrules 4,814]

Just now, iu2win said:

First time posting here. Like so many other longtime IU grads/fans, I was disappointed with the outcome this season and I began to have doubts about Coach Woodson’s ability to coach at the college level.  Then, senior night happened; and Woodson brought the “true fans” and “I’m doing my job” and “understand that” comments.  It seemed to me he had burned bridges at that point and IU would have no choice but to head in a new direction.  Instead, IU loaded him up with NIL money and his first “lock” is another 5 star forward who signed with IU (when his NBA second league gig fell through). IU fans see what Woodson obviously can’t see . . . what he is doing isn’t working and more of the same is not the answer!

Welcome to Btownbanners. I think many here understand your concerns. 

[Banksyrules 4,814]

3 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

95% of this thread is totally negative about Woody and I'm on record as having wanted him gone as well.  But to say people are being picked on and attacked is laughable.  If expressing a view that doesn't fit someone's narrative is being attacked then we should completely shut down btb because it happens in almost every thread.

I think it's outside this board.  I'm being attacked but honestly who cares. Ever since I was kid I was sadly raised to question things.  There is kind of an inner peace that comes with trying to be objective in front of the biased whole.  It starts with yourself and having the capability of being ok with being wrong and having the ability readjust appropriately. 

I've seen this administration being a mess for 30 years and I think in order to eventually change the state of things more people need to face some hard truths. More people are starting to get it. We'll get there one day but it comes from people in a respectful manner trying to help others to open up their vision instead attacking them.  

[AZ Hoosier 7,370]

2 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Generally agree, but understand the speculation. As Stu said: 

The lack of regulation in the landscape and de facto "professionalization" of CBB makes it more similar to the NBA in the financial aspect, i.e. fans have a rooting interest in how their organization manages their budget/payroll.

Another major difference between NCAA/NIL and NBA is the salary cap. In order to (try to) create parity, the NBA limits salary spending. The NIL is completely the wild, wild west. Any team can raise any amount of money and effectively "buy" a better team. Even if the NCAA came up with a way to level that playing field, there's the cheaters (Duke, Kentucky, UNC, Kansas and others) who would just move the excess inducements back under the table.

[Trish 11,619]

43 minutes ago, iu2win said:

First time posting here. Like so many other longtime IU grads/fans, I was disappointed with the outcome this season and I began to have doubts about Coach Woodson’s ability to coach at the college level.  Then, senior night happened; and Woodson brought the “true fans” and “I’m doing my job” and “understand that” comments.  It seemed to me he had burned bridges at that point and IU would have no choice but to head in a new direction.  Instead, IU loaded him up with NIL money and his first “lock” is another 5 star forward who signed with IU (when his NBA second league gig fell through). IU fans see what Woodson obviously can’t see . . . what he is doing isn’t working and more of the same is not the answer!

Welcome! And don't worry, Woodson is in his final year here at Indiana. We'll be under new leadership this time next year. 

[AZ Hoosier 7,370]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m sure Woodson loves IU basketball and wants to help it, but the effort (well, lack thereof) he puts in is not that of someone passionate about the job. It’s like he wants to help IU but wants to put in the minimum effort wise to do so. 

I'm sure that he thinks he can help. The part that burns me is that he puts minimal effort in to most of the job, but wants full credit and to be praised for the part of the job that he's actually done. And stuff like ignoring the rest of the athletic department because he thinks that it's beneath him truly irks me.