Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[JSHoosier 19,913]

12 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

In the sense that they haven’t been able to find a winner for men’s basketball.  But the guys they have picked looked good “on paper.”   They may have not been a big dog, but nobody thought they would crap their pants.  But remember, the vast majority of coaches fail miserably — so IU is in good company.   Hopefully they get the next one right.  
 

Evaluation is the right word. Thanks JS. 

I don't know what they look at when evaluating coaches but something seems to be wrong. Take away the Final Four run and Crean was wildly mediocre at Marquette; his reputation when we hired was largely based on one run. Miller had some success at Dayton but they're a program that has had other coaches do well just to bomb elsewhere.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,057]

10 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Most did, huh? 
So those that funded our large NIL pot of money must have been idiots. Is that what you think?

The people who paid for this year’s team certainly didn’t spend their money wisely. That's for sure.  

And yes, most. Just go back and look at the reactions when he was hired. It was one big collective WTF. You had some sunshine pumpers who tried telling us that hiring a 63 year with zero college basketball experience and no head coaching experience in nearly a decade was a great idea, but most people weren’t buying it. 

Take a look for yourself: 

 

[Alford Bailey 12,363]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I don't know what they look at when evaluating coaches but something seems to be wrong. Take away the Final Four run and Crean was wildly mediocre at Marquette; his reputation when we hired was largely based on one run. Miller had some success at Dayton but they're a program that has had other coaches do well just to bomb elsewhere.

We hired one good coach since Knight he is projected to be a 1 seed in the tournament this year

[IndyHoops 461]

8 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Most did, huh? 
So those that funded our large NIL pot of money must have been idiots. Is that what you think?

Besides being a former player, what qualifications did Woodson have to be a head coach at the college level? “Idiots” is harsh. How about blind faith because “former player”?

[steubenhoosier 827]

1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

We hired one good coach since Knight he is projected to be a 1 seed in the tournament this year

He also had a bunch of thugs on his team at IU. 
 

[IUFAN1976 2,836]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Missouri looks like dog crap with Bates….Bates provides shooting but is still probably a worse defender than anyone IU has.

But he does do something that our guards can’t do, and that is shoot the Ball.  Bates can’t be any worse at D than Mgbako 

[Kentuckysucks 2,207]

15 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Most did, huh? 
So those that funded our large NIL pot of money must have been idiots. Is that what you think?

Yes.

[steubenhoosier 827]

Just now, IndyHoops said:

Besides being a former player, what qualifications did Woodson have to be a head coach at the college level? “Idiots” is harsh. How about blind faith because “former player”?

Okay, Blind faith.

Don’t think anyone who had achieved a level of success that they could afford to contribute is the NIL initiative would have believed that CMW was going to “crap his pants.” 
I don’t know if Woodson is going to keep his job or not, but the level of vitriol in this thread towards anyone associated with our basketball program is pathetic. 

[IndyHoops 461]

4 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Okay, Blind faith.

Don’t think anyone who had achieved a level of success that they could afford to contribute is the NIL initiative would have believed that CMW was going to “crap his pants.” 
I don’t know if Woodson is going to keep his job or not, but the level of vitriol in this thread towards anyone associated with our basketball program is pathetic. 

Which is the exact reason Woodson needs to step down. Save his legacy. I’ve been a fan since the 80s and every coach change. Its going to get VERY bad next year…..and I don’t want a former player to go through that.

Edited February 25 by IndyHoops

[HinnyHoosier 4,808]

6 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

But he does do something that our guards can’t do, and that is shoot the Ball.  Bates can’t be any worse at D than Mgbako 

Same with Sean East, who is having a nice year for Mizzou, and dropped 33 today.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,057]

5 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Okay, Blind faith.

Don’t think anyone who had achieved a level of success that they could afford to contribute is the NIL initiative would have believed that CMW was going to “crap his pants.” 
I don’t know if Woodson is going to keep his job or not, but the level of vitriol in this thread towards anyone associated with our basketball program is pathetic. 

Our basketball program is the only pathetic thing here. 

[Golfman25 5,095]

23 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I don't know what they look at when evaluating coaches but something seems to be wrong. Take away the Final Four run and Crean was wildly mediocre at Marquette; his reputation when we hired was largely based on one run. Miller had some success at Dayton but they're a program that has had other coaches do well just to bomb elsewhere.

Not sure what parties where involved with Crean, but I think the administration was still concerned with a Bob Knight bigger than the program type hire. So there certainly was an administration issue for a time.  I think that has ended, especially with the move on Stevens.  I think Dolson got handcuffed with Woodson and that experiment has failed.  I expect the next hire to be “the guy.”  

[Herotime 750]

Can someone help me understand why Todd Leary is on with Jim Coyle pointing out all of the team’s OBVIOUS insufficiencies but following his criticism by saying “CMW isn’t going anywhere and I don’t  want a new coach bc there’s no home run hire out there and I don’t want to start over.”

He on the payroll? Help me understand.

[GoIU8 205]

Just now, Herotime said:

Can someone help me understand why Todd Leary is on with Jim Coyle pointing out all of the team’s OBVIOUS insufficiencies but following his criticism by saying “CMW isn’t going anywhere and I don’t  want a new coach bc there’s no home run hire out there and I don’t want to start over.”

He on the payroll? Help me understand.

Too many IU fans and former players want an omelet, but are deeply offended by the idea of breaking eggs. That's why this sort of thinking is prevalent.

[Golfman25 5,095]

14 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Okay, Blind faith.

Don’t think anyone who had achieved a level of success that they could afford to contribute is the NIL initiative would have believed that CMW was going to “crap his pants.” 
I don’t know if Woodson is going to keep his job or not, but the level of vitriol in this thread towards anyone associated with our basketball program is pathetic. 

Problem is Woodson had the opportunity to do great things.  He started strong retaining TJD and getting JHS and Malik.  But then his ego took over. And it’s been down hill ever since.  He’s squandered a great opportunity.  

[AZ Hoosier 6,640]

1 hour ago, AKHoosier said:

I feel strongly that we need a new head coach for basketball.

 

54 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

Thats a bold opinion. 

especially in this thread. :D

[AZ Hoosier 6,640]

44 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Mike Woodson definitely didn’t look good on paper and most expected him to crap his pants 

Finally... a promise that Woodson delivered on...

[coonhounds 8,835]

Problem is Woodson had the opportunity to do great things.  He started strong retaining TJD and getting JHS and Malik.  But then his ego took over. And it’s been down hill ever since.  He’s squandered a great opportunity.  

Ego but also I don't believe he has the coaching talent to be successful at this level. He said he couldn't believe how little these kids knew about basics when he first started. I think he struggles to teach the basics and how to determine what each kid needs to be successful. Let's not forget he hasn't been successful in nba coaching. His biggest success was a moral victory in reality. That won't cut it. The real thing that is definitely real is being a great college coach isn't easy. Very few have had what it takes. You can't just throw a guy like Woodson here and think he is going win! Crean and Archie had background and there was hope. Crean had it rolling but proved not good enough. Archie just didn't have it. We need a proven winner or a really good candidate to give another chance. Dusty is the crean archie type but he has a few advantages over them imo with indiana ties.

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[AZ Hoosier 6,640]

1 hour ago, steubenhoosier said:

Most did, huh? 
So those that funded our large NIL pot of money must have been idiots. Is that what you think?

I cannot speak for the donors... but look at the facts:

• Woodson was 63 years old
• Woodson was a pretty good player for IU
• Woodson made it to the NBA where he had a fair playing career
• Woodson coached in the NBA where he was pretty much mediocre, based on his record (9 years, .463 winning percentage)
• Woodson had been out of coaching for 5 years
• Woodson had not been a head coach for 10 years
• Woodson had zero college coaching experience as a head coach or an assistant
• Woodson had zero recruiting experience
• No other organized basketball team would have considered Woodson as a serious coaching candidate

Looks pretty much like a failure from the get-go to me.

[AZ Hoosier 6,640]

39 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The people who paid for this year’s team certainly didn’t spend their money wisely. That's for sure.  

And yes, most. Just go back and look at the reactions when he was hired. It was one big collective WTF. You had some sunshine pumpers who tried telling us that hiring a 63 year with zero college basketball experience and no head coaching experience in nearly a decade was a great idea, but most people weren’t buying it. 

Take a look for yourself: 

 

BTB PSA: the term sunshine pumper is offensive to some around these parts.