Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA... Forever and Ever, Amen!

[GoIU8]

44 minutes ago, BottomLine said:

It isn't about the coach guys.  Hate to be a Debbie Downer but:

1.  Indiana is bad because Indiana has always been bad.  We will never be good until we break that mental loop.  Many have tried and all have failed, or moved on to better jobs.

2.  Indiana will never be good when we celebrate signing players that would be 2nd, 3rd or 4th string players at Ohio State or Michigan.  And, if they improve the portal is always there for them to escape.

3.  We all need to realize that, unlike basketball, football is a "numbers" sport.  IU has always been a terrible second half football school because we have never been able to develop depth.  Out starters may be competitive but the backup aren't there and other teams wear us down.

I don't have the answer to any of these problems and I don't think that we are going to be able to bring in any coach that can answer them.  If that coach exists he is already the head of a winning program elsewhere.

C'mon man there's a whole laundry list of programs that proves you wrong. It just takes one great coach to completely change our fortunes. 

[Demo]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Bingo. In other words it can be done.

From the limited knowledge of what I've seen so far I'm looking for a combination of:

• Leadership 
• Charisma but with a no-nonsense personality
• Relative youth
• Technical coaching imagination and expertise

So for me I'd be really happy with Candle or Sherrone Moore. Not sure if either of those guys would be interested, but those would be two pretty damn fine choices.

Candle or someone with a comparable resume seems about right. A guy with zero HC experience would probably spook me a little. But Georgia hired Kirby Smart and that seems to have worked out all right, so what do I know.

[IU - Kaulie]

22 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Bingo. In other words it can be done.

From the limited knowledge of what I've seen so far I'm looking for a combination of:

• Leadership 
• Charisma but with a no-nonsense personality
• Relative youth
• Technical coaching imagination and expertise

So for me I'd be really happy with Candle or Sherrone Moore. Not sure if either of those guys would be interested, but those would be two pretty damn fine choices.

ARE says hello with some of those qualities.

Seriously though, I don’t know much, if any of the names in this thread or much about football in general besides the basics.  
 

Do we know at this point for sure who IU has reached out to?  I know that there are lists but I don’t believe any of the writers out there.  I would have to think we have already had communication with our next head coach.

[Hovadipo]

7 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

Do we know at this point for sure who IU has reached out to?

No. And we won’t. 

We’ve probably got 3-5 days of speculation ahead. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Just now from Michael Niziolek -

Indiana hires TurnkeyZRG to assist with search for next head football coach.

 

Was this something we should have expected or is it an indication our "A" listers have all said no thanks? 

 

[iubb]

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BLOOMINGTON – IU is engaging prominent search firm TurnkeyZRG as part of its due diligence in selecting its next head football coach, IndyStar has learned.

Turnkey, whose recent clients include the Los Angeles Dodgers, the Boston Red Sox, the San Francisco 49ers, several major sports leagues and a handful of other professional franchises, is among the most well-known search firms in the country. Its website cites its involvement in “over 1,400 executive searches,” with an extensive collegiate client list — including the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Alabama, Michigan, LSU, Oklahoma, Penn State and others — as well.



 

Indiana’s financial obligation to Turnkey was not immediately available, but prior searches typically included five-figure fees. South Carolina reportedly paid in excess of $34,000 to Turnkey for its involvement in the search that led to Shane Beamer’s hiring, while Wisconsin paid $50,000 following the search that ended with the Badgers hiring Luke Fickell.

Firms are typically employed through the search process for a variety of purposes that require a relative amount of discretion.

Their services can cover anything from background vetting, to acting as a third-party intermediary to sound out potential candidates in ways that allow all parties plausible deniability, to eventually connecting candidates with programs.

 

 

 

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Just now from Michael Niziolek -

Indiana hires TurnkeyZRG to assist with search for next head football coach.

 

Was this something we should have expected or is it an indication our "A" listers have all said no thanks? 

 

It’s a clear indication that we had no one in place as the next hire with only the final details to be worked out, when we fired Allen.

[Lebowski]

Sh!t man, Dolson can call me and I'd do the search for half the price. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Just now, Lebowski said:

Sh!t man, Dolson can call me and I'd do the search for half the price. 

And probably do a better job!

[LIHoosier]

11 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Just now from Michael Niziolek -

Indiana hires TurnkeyZRG to assist with search for next head football coach.

 

Was this something we should have expected or is it an indication our "A" listers have all said no thanks? 

 

IIRC, there was an SI or ESPN article about the firm that helped Cool Dad find Archie and all they really did was figure out an innocuous location for the parties to meet so us dorks wouldn't be following charter flights for a week. As far as we know, the flight from Boca to Bloomington was the Cooks returning from a Thanksgiving weekend trip.

[Alford Bailey]

Probably worth it to hire a search firm. Not sure anyone at IU knows how to hire a good football coach.

[RaceToTheTop]

Hiring Turnkey can be spun one of two ways -- or both:

1.  It's a positive sign that they are making sure to get the right hire by turning over all rocks -- something they didn't do when they gave the keys to Tom Allen and just did the quick hire in house thing.

2.  It's a negative sign in that it means they don't feel like they have their guy and had to turn to a firm to help.

Don't know which it is.

[Hovadipo]

6 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

IIRC, there was an SI or ESPN article about the firm that helped Cool Dad find Archie and all they really did was figure out an innocuous location for the parties to meet so us dorks wouldn't be following charter flights for a week. As far as we know, the flight from Boca to Bloomington was the Cooks returning from a Thanksgiving weekend trip.

I know of a coach that was interviewed for a job in Indiana, was working already in Indiana, and interviewed at a hotel in Orlando for a job that no one at all would care about. And people think that Tom Herman is flying into Bloomington to meet with Dolson. Flight tracking is a farce lol. 

[maharkn]

ARE says hello with some of those qualities.
Seriously though, I don’t know much, if any of the names in this thread or much about football in general besides the basics.  
 
Do we know at this point for sure who IU has reached out to?  I know that there are lists but I don’t believe any of the writers out there.  I would have to think we have already had communication with our next head coach.

Can he bring St Brown with him

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[maharkn]

Sh!t man, Dolson can call me and I'd do the search for half the price. 

He can call me and I'll coach the team for six figures. Who's joining my staff

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[iubb]

 

[Demo]

Not sure what constitutes “the beginning” but that is a relief.

[Chris007]

25 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s a clear indication that we had no one in place as the next hire with only the final details to be worked out, when we fired Allen.

I think we’ve been using this firm for a couple of weeks but was just leaked to Osterman today. Either they are doing background checks or our top candidates have said no.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 minutes ago, maharkn said:

He can call me and I'll coach the team for six figures. Who's joining my staff

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This guy.

[iuthruandthru]

2 hours ago, Lebowski said:

Here's the thing though, even throwing all the money in the world at it doesn't guarantee or raise your chances of success. The most consistent thing about IUFB is how incredibly bad it's been throughout its entire history. Case in point, Mallory is considered one of the best coaches IUFB has ever had. Dolson could hire Jesus Christ himself and even he could struggle with this program. If anything, whoever is the next coach at IUFB will more than likely be fired due to lack of winning, just like every other IUFB coach throughout its entire history. Because history says so. 

The most logical thing to do however, is hiring someone that has a proven record. Someone that has had success at not only winning but has experience at building a culture of winning. It takes someone and a backing to start that culture. Unfortunately trying to hire someone like this is a giant mountain to climb because these kind of people know right away if the job is right for them. It's a two way street and these people know how to ask the right questions during the interview process. They know right away if they'll have the backing they'll need to build that culture. That's why I still think we'll end up with a coordinator when this is all said and done. And if that's the case, hopefully we end up hiring the next Barry Alvarez. 

This is all fair.  Honestly I would be ok with an offensive coordinator from a solid team.  I think IU needs that type of culture build.  Need a big time feel to come in and lift the program up.