Fire Scott Dolson

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Idk, I think it was on life support and he might have pulled the plug with Woody hire, him alienating the fanbase and not winning, Dolson not having the pull to get rid of him and then making a questionable hire that while it’s early is not instilling any faith or excitement from anyone other than Dakich

Yeah, program momentum is a real thing. We have NONE. It was such an odd off-season after a coaching hire. I guess you’re trying to lower the pressure, but that’s the job. Build a team. Accept the pressure. Win some games. Odd.


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[MikeRoberts]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

No QB maneuvered things behind the scene to backdoor the hire. 

I know what happened, I’ve shared the story from a BOT member many times here. His incompetence in the early days of the hiring process opened the door for others to take control after he fumbled the handoff a few times. Anyway, he was the AD when he was hired and was the AD when he was given a raise and the AD when he wasn’t winning and the fanbase had already quit on him and was unable to get rid of him. It’s a bag full of incompetence

[Home Jersey]

Meh, I am fine with Dolson based on the Cig hire and incredible success. 

IUBB can continue languishing away as far as I'm concerned. No different than it's been for decades. 

Just pour 100% of the AD's resources into football. 

We can follow football recruiting more closely than basketball moving forward.

That will make the IU fan experience more fun for me anyway. 

Just like football used to be an afterthought / any success is gravy, now basketball is that. Odd times. 

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I know what happened, I’ve shared the story from a BOT member many times here. His incompetence in the early days of the hiring process opened the door for others to take control after he fumbled the handoff a few times. Anyway, he was the AD when he was hired and was the AD when he was given a raise and the AD when he wasn’t winning and the fanbase had already quit on him and was unable to get rid of him. It’s a bag full of incompetence

Sounds very similar to Pat Kraft at PSU nearly bungling his search to the point of the BOT getting involved (according to rumors anyway) and possibly getting very lucky with Matt Campbell waiting for his season to be over / not wanting to wait around for Michigan to potentially open.

Pat Kraft, another incompetent administrator who happens to be a product of the IU system. 

Something is deeply broken in the athletic department / university administration. 

Cig is almost certainly a lightning in a bottle hire like Knight was. Hopefully we retain Haines to build on that when the time comes. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Meh, I am fine with Dolson based on the Cig hire and incredible success. 
IUBB can continue languishing away as far as I'm concerned. No different than it's been for decades. 
Just pour 100% of the AD's resources into football. 
We can follow football recruiting more closely than basketball moving forward.
That will make the IU fan experience more fun for me anyway. 
Just like football used to be an afterthought / any success is gravy, now basketball is that. Odd times. 

Fair. I’ve already started paying more attention to football recruiting. Transfer portal recruiting should be really fun.


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[Josh]

20 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

No QB maneuvered things behind the scene to backdoor the hire. 

Ehhh, you're falling for the conspiracy theories.  Dolson hired him and kept him 4 years.  Don't let his PR team fool you into anything different 

[MikeRoberts]

6 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Sounds very similar to Pat Kraft at PSU nearly bungling his search to the point of the BOT getting involved (according to rumors anyway) and possibly getting very lucky with Matt Campbell waiting for his season to be over / not wanting to wait around for Michigan to potentially open.

Pat Kraft, another incompetent administrator who happens to be a product of the IU system. 

Something is deeply broken in the athletic department / university administration. 

Cig is almost certainly a lightning in a bottle hire like Knight was. Hopefully we retain Haines to build on that when the time comes. 

I haven’t followed the Kraft/PSU example you provided, will have to read up on that. It’s pretty obvious to those around an AD when they have no idea what they are doing and that was the case for Dolson, vote of no confidence without an official vote. Crazy if others from the IU tree have essentially done the same elsewhere. Breeding ground for weak leadership. 
 

cig has been amazing but I’m a basketball fan through and through and I think what has happened to our basketball program is unbelievable. I’m not mad we’re 8-3 thus far in year 1, I’m disappointed in the system/product… I have no idea what this is? It’s horrible and hard to watch let alone fun. I don’t see a vision

[TheWatShot]

I've enjoyed the last 2 years of IU football more than I've ever enjoyed any stretch of IU basketball. 

 

Dolson fixed an historically bad program and made it a national success story that's breaking the sport. I kind of just accepted awhile ago that basketball is never getting fixed. 

[Scotty R]

Kind of odd to bring this thread up on a day where our QB won the Heisman trophy and our football team is the 1 seed in the CFP. He saw what Cignetti could be as a HC and what he could do for this program. Also to do this after 11 games of the basketball tenure is ridiculous 

[MikeRoberts]

12 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Kind of odd to bring this thread up on a day where our QB won the Heisman trophy and our football team is the 1 seed in the CFP. He saw what Cignetti could be as a HC and what he could do for this program. Also to do this after 11 games of the basketball tenure is ridiculous 

This is a basketball forum and for most of us, basketball is what brought us all here. Our basketball program has been crappy since Dolson took over: it’s not ridiculous to expect more from this school when it comes to basketball and that starts at the top. He’s had two cracks at this and it’s not hard to see this team and system is incredibly flawed 

[J34]

People acting surprised about IU basketball. Aside from a few good years, we have been pretty irrelevant for over two decades now. We are the equivalent to the Nebraska football program. Fortunately,or unfortunately, some of us are lucky enough to have experienced greatness for a couple of decades. 

[J34]

3 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

This is a basketball forum and for most of us, basketball is what brought us all here. Our basketball program has been crappy since Dolson took over: it’s not ridiculous to expect more from this school when it comes to basketball and that starts at the top. He’s had two cracks at this and it’s not hard to see this team and system is incredibly flawed 

Newsflash- IU basketball was pretty bad before Dolson arrived. 

[cthomas]

It's way too soon to give up on CDD in my opinion. He's going to learn a lot about what it takes to win in B1G. I think he will be a good coach if we give him a chance. In the meantime enjoy the unprecedented success of our football team as they seek our first national championship in football.

[Pagoda]

Like Scott or not:

- IUFB went from one of the worst programs ever to really good, which no one thought was possible.  #1 ranked, B1G champs, and a Heisman winner.  The value of this is immense.  It results in materially more athletic dept revenue, way more TV exposure ("earned media") that's easily worth tens of millions of $ to Indiana University, and more negotiating leverage when the next B1G media rights and grant of rights come up.  And that last part is important because the media rights may not be split evenly next time around. 

The above is the biggest accomplishment by any AD at IU.  And Scott did it.  Even if you want to make a case he got lucky with Cig, which there is no basis for, Scott identified Cig, got him to come here, got him the resources to win in terms of NIL and staff budget (IU had never supported football before), and kept him at IU's still relatively small program despite several huge and prestigious football programs wanting him.  That is flat out fantastic work.

So, no, Scott is not incompetent or weak. 

- I know we like basketball here, but in the world of college athletics, CFB is really all that matters.  It drives the billion $ media deals, almost all the athletic dept revenue, and 100% of the influence in college athletics.  CBB?  It doesn't really move the needle on revenue and TV ratings,  it's a comparative sideshow.

- We can argue the Woody hire, people who cover IU will tell you Scott wasn't supported and there were serious outside influences, but whatever.  Now CDD is clearly a Scott hire and he will own the results.  We're 11 games in and it's not off to a great start, several red flags have emerged.  I'm disappointed.  We'll see how it goes over the next probably three years at least.  It's not yet over for CDD.  But yea, I'm worried.  Nothing I can do about it though.

If CDD doesn't work out, this will be on Scott and it's a demerit for him.  Though IUBB not working wouldn't be a departure from the previous 25 years.  But Scott won't be going anywhere as long as Cig is here and IUFB is winning seven or more games per year (seems likely we'll exceed that by quite a bit).  In college sports, CFB is king, even at IU.

[J34]

1 hour ago, Pagoda said:

Like Scott or not:

- IUFB went from one of the worst programs ever to really good, which no one thought was possible.  #1 ranked, B1G champs, and a Heisman winner.  The value of this is immense.  It results in materially more athletic dept revenue, way more TV exposure ("earned media") that's easily worth tens of millions of $ to Indiana University, and more negotiating leverage when the next B1G media rights and grant of rights come up.  And that last part is important because the media rights may not be split evenly next time around. 

The above is the biggest accomplishment by any AD at IU.  And Scott did it.  Even if you want to make a case he got lucky with Cig, which there is no basis for, Scott identified Cig, got him to come here, got him the resources to win in terms of NIL and staff budget (IU had never supported football before), and kept him at IU's still relatively small program despite several huge and prestigious football programs wanting him.  That is flat out fantastic work.

So, no, Scott is not incompetent or weak. 

- I know we like basketball here, but in the world of college athletics, CFB is really all that matters.  It drives the billion $ media deals, almost all the athletic dept revenue, and 100% of the influence in college athletics.  CBB?  It doesn't really move the needle on revenue and TV ratings,  it's a comparative sideshow.

- We can argue the Woody hire, people who cover IU will tell you Scott wasn't supported and there were serious outside influences, but whatever.  Now CDD is clearly a Scott hire and he will own the results.  We're 11 games in and it's not off to a great start, several red flags have emerged.  I'm disappointed.  We'll see how it goes over the next probably three years at least.  It's not yet over for CDD.  But yea, I'm worried.  Nothing I can do about it though.

If CDD doesn't work out, this will be on Scott and it's a demerit for him.  Though IUBB not working wouldn't be a departure from the previous 25 years.  But Scott won't be going anywhere as long as Cig is here and IUFB is winning seven or more games per year (seems likely we've exceed that by quite a bit), because in college sports, CFB is king, even at IU.

I have a feeling, as much as Cignetti credits Pam and Scott in his interviews, if IU were to ever get rid of Dolson, CCC would go elsewhere, as well.

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, J34 said:

I have a feeling, as much as Cignetti credits Pam and Scott in his interviews, if IU were to ever get rid of Dolson, CCC would go elsewhere, as well.

I'm pretty sure it's in his contract that if either aren't at IU, his buyout for leaving either drops significantly or completely goes away. I think I remember seeing that.

[Magnanimous]

5 hours ago, Pagoda said:

Like Scott or not:

- IUFB went from one of the worst programs ever to really good, which no one thought was possible.  #1 ranked, B1G champs, and a Heisman winner.  The value of this is immense.  It results in materially more athletic dept revenue, way more TV exposure ("earned media") that's easily worth tens of millions of $ to Indiana University, and more negotiating leverage when the next B1G media rights and grant of rights come up.  And that last part is important because the media rights may not be split evenly next time around. 

The above is the biggest accomplishment by any AD at IU.  And Scott did it.  Even if you want to make a case he got lucky with Cig, which there is no basis for, Scott identified Cig, got him to come here, got him the resources to win in terms of NIL and staff budget (IU had never supported football before), and kept him at IU's still relatively small program despite several huge and prestigious football programs wanting him.  That is flat out fantastic work.

So, no, Scott is not incompetent or weak. 

- I know we like basketball here, but in the world of college athletics, CFB is really all that matters.  It drives the billion $ media deals, almost all the athletic dept revenue, and 100% of the influence in college athletics.  CBB?  It doesn't really move the needle on revenue and TV ratings,  it's a comparative sideshow.

- We can argue the Woody hire, people who cover IU will tell you Scott wasn't supported and there were serious outside influences, but whatever.  Now CDD is clearly a Scott hire and he will own the results.  We're 11 games in and it's not off to a great start, several red flags have emerged.  I'm disappointed.  We'll see how it goes over the next probably three years at least.  It's not yet over for CDD.  But yea, I'm worried.  Nothing I can do about it though.

If CDD doesn't work out, this will be on Scott and it's a demerit for him.  Though IUBB not working wouldn't be a departure from the previous 25 years.  But Scott won't be going anywhere as long as Cig is here and IUFB is winning seven or more games per year (seems likely we'll exceed that by quite a bit).  In college sports, CFB is king, even at IU.

Scott’s been a very good AD for the reasons stated above.

With NIL, the transfer portal, and basketball only needing 3-4 good players to field a competitive team, IUBB is always one year away from being right back at the top. It shouldn’t be this hard, especially since most of the country doesn’t even care about CBball anymore, but if a coach can scheme properly this program can and will always pull talent if the checkbook is open.

We’re competing against our own ineptitude (really indifference) more than anything else right now. I say indifference because we have not been doing what it takes to be one of the best.  There are no more 2005-2010 UNCs or 2009-2014 Kentuckys where there is “the program” driving the bus in this sport and pulling all of the recruits. Does anyone here really think most kids around the country give a crap about UConn or Purdue basketball? Or even Michigan this year? If Indiana truly wants to be good at basketball they will be good again, but it will take a real effort by the  university and AD to not settle for anything less than fielding a top 10 team. LSU and Ohio State foootball is the mentality this program needs to take if it wants to call itself a big name program. You see a coach you want? Make him say no three times after upping the offer each time. Someone is winning at another school? Ok, go buy him. He won’t leave? Go buy his players. We have more funny money floating around this program than 99% of other schools because that 99% doesn’t even really care about being the best, they just sometimes are (i.e., Florida last year). If CDD is the answer, and he’s shown enough coaching chops to deserve 2-3 years at this point, then get him some real players to work with.

 

[Scotty R]

14 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

This is a basketball forum and for most of us, basketball is what brought us all here. Our basketball program has been crappy since Dolson took over: it’s not ridiculous to expect more from this school when it comes to basketball and that starts at the top. He’s had two cracks at this and it’s not hard to see this team and system is incredibly flawed 

Actually this is in the football message board 

[str8baller]

15 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Cig is almost certainly a lightning in a bottle hire like Knight was.

FWIW, Knight and Yeagly were hired by Ryan I think, who is/was? considered a good president.  Pretty sure Doc Councilman was here when they got here. But at one point IU was something of an example of good leadership. Even Mallory was pretty good, all things considered.  
 

People used to point Brand as the turning point. I don’t know if that’s just because he fired Knight or if he really sucked. But it wasn’t always this way. 

[Scotty R]

I keep saying this but our fan base can be the best  thing about our program but also it's biggest hindrance as well. With how quick the fraction of this fan base turns on the coach it is no wonder the pool of coaches willing to come here is very low. You are also seeing this going on at UK because they were turned down by all the top coaches and had to settle for Pope. It also appears to be hurting their recruiting as well. They spent 22 mil on this years roster but couldn't get the top transfers to come in. They also have no HS recruits signed for next year and no commits as well.  

I see people wondering why we can't get great coaches or players to come here maybe the fans should try to change how they react to the first sign of trouble.