2023 SF/PF Mackenzie Mgbako to Texas A&M via Portal

[str8baller]

3 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Purely from a betting perspective, Dingle would be more likely to produce than any freshman (IMO).

Not having really watched Dingle last year, my instinct is the same. A 21-22 year old who has proven himself in a smaller conf is more ready to step into that role. There certainly are a handful of freshman exceptions to that each year, which is why I ask. 

[Hoosierfan1901]

Looks like St. John’s is eyeing UK’s Lance Ware right now, could be something could be nothing, just a notable thing 

[RaceToTheTop]

5 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Not having really watched Dingle last year, my instinct is the same. A 21-22 year old who has proven himself in a smaller conf is more ready to step into that role. There certainly are a handful of freshman exceptions to that each year, which is why I ask. 

FWIW....and it's just a mathematical projection, nothing more, nothing less:  Torvik projects is Dingle was added he would get 32 minutes/game at IU, have an offensive efficiency of 112, and a usage rate of 25.  If Mgbako was added instead, Torvik rojects he would get 30.8 minutes/game, have an offensive efficiency of 111, and a usage rate of 21.  If either were added, Torvik's ratings move IU from 35th overall to 24th overall.  So not a whole lot of difference.

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21 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

What if IU were to add both? Hey, a guy can dream!

Adding both, Torvik would put IU 19th.

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, lillurk said:

Verrrrrry high likelihood he’s 1-and-done. Like ~75% or so I’d guess. Players rated top 8-12 in their class, like Mgbako, almost always stay only one year. Kel’el Ware is the exception, not the rule.

Only because he wasn’t utilized right

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

2 hours ago, lillurk said:

Verrrrrry high likelihood he’s 1-and-done. Like ~75% or so I’d guess. Players rated top 8-12 in their class, like Mgbako, almost always stay only one year. Kel’el Ware is the exception, not the rule.

That's something worth looking at ever since the 1 and done rule started... What have the top 15 recruits done after 1 season of college...

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1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

That's something worth looking at ever since the 1 and done rule started... What have the top 15 recruits done after 1 season of college...

At the minimum, most of them made a nice chunk of change on their first NBA contract.  And there really isn't a guarantee that they would have done any better if they had stayed longer.  Sometimes their flaws get exposed.

 

[dwtaylor1055]

get him here and we are all on equal ground still imo.  

[RaceToTheTop]

A couple of notes on Kansas:

With the addition of Hunter Dickinson, Torvik rates them as the #1 team for next year.  I suspect whether or not they add MM, they will be the preseason #1 team.

A couple of schools of thought:

1.  It's really attractive to sign there and potentially win a title.

2.  It's not real attractive to sign there as titles are a crap shoot in a one and done tournament and the number of offensive options they have available limits touches.

Re:  the second school of thought -- Torvik now projects that Nick Timberlake will average about 8 points per game next year 27 minutes per game.  Obviously this is nothing more than a meant to fun stat projection, but if it shows what adding Hunter Dickinson to an already talented group does -- touches are going to be limited.

Whether 1 or 2 is more attractive (if everything else is equal) is a personal preference.

 

[dwtaylor1055]

6 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

A couple of notes on Kansas:

With the addition of Hunter Dickinson, Torvik rates them as the #1 team for next year.  I suspect whether or not they add MM, they will be the preseason #1 team.

A couple of schools of thought:

1.  It's really attractive to sign there and potentially win a title.

2.  It's not real attractive to sign there as titles are a crap shoot in a one and done tournament and the number of offensive options they have available limits touches.

Re:  the second school of thought -- Torvik now projects that Nick Timberlake will average about 8 points per game next year 27 minutes per game.  Obviously this is nothing more than a meant to fun stat projection, but if it shows what adding Hunter Dickinson to an already talented group does -- touches are going to be limited.

Whether 1 or 2 is more attractive (if everything else is equal) is a personal preference.

 

with MM it'll boil down to if he wants to win a title or playing time(quicker path to NBA).  If he chooses Kansas he likely gets limited touches AND returns to a school for a 2nd year.  If he chooses IU or UL or St Johns, he'll get as much playing time as he wants.  If he chooses IU he also gets the benefit of seeing CMW and company grooming him with a good chance at being a one and done potentially.  

[Artie86]

Can we just get this guy on campus today, please......???? I need a good birthday present! lol

[rcbowla]

Bill Self has produced quite a few one and done players. JHS was always one and done no matter where he went to college. 

Same can be said about the vast majority of one and done's at KU as well I would assume. Generally if a kid is that talented they were that talented to begin with. College coaches do help them but odds are any college coach can get a one and done talent to be just that.

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[dwtaylor1055]

34 minutes ago, normandale97 said:

Bill Self has produced quite a few one and done players. JHS was always one and done no matter where he went to college. 

if MM is coming off of the bench for Kansas or even starting with limited touches no way he goes straight to the NBA as a one and done and expects to be a top 15 pick

[dwtaylor1055]

Just now, normandale97 said:

That's a big assumption though...how do any of us know he isn't starting and getting limited touches? 

big assumption but on a loaded team, an all but sure-fire pre-season consensus #1 team and very likely a final four team at worst barring major injuries I just don't see it.  I could be wrong though.

[dwtaylor1055]

6 minutes ago, normandale97 said:

My point is...I've seen several people here and other places using Woodson and JHS as an advantage for IU. That argument holds no weight with Self in the picture. He's had a player drafted almost every year and Kansas. When comparing Self and Woodson...there is no comparison. Self can say...watch the NBA playoffs and the current league MVP...watch Wiggins....Grimes...etc. IU might get MgBako but the reasoning above doesn't make any sense. 

Self hasn't coached in the NBA, CMW has.  Sure, I was using JHS as an example.  CMW has only been here for two years so it's fair to say JHS and TJD.  Self has been at Kansas for long long time

[Ryno6284]

55 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

Can we just get this guy on campus today, please......???? I need a good birthday present! lol

Mine is tomorrow! Happy Birthday!

[Hoosierfan2017]

18 minutes ago, normandale97 said:

My point is...I've seen several people here and other places using Woodson and JHS as an advantage for IU. That argument holds no weight with Self in the picture. He's had a player drafted almost every year and Kansas. When comparing Self and Woodson...there is no comparison. Self can say...watch the NBA playoffs and the current league MVP...watch Wiggins....Grimes...etc. IU might get MgBako but the reasoning above doesn't make any sense. 

Yeah, I don’t think people realize that it’s not this golden goose that they think it is. Getting players to the NBA is necessary to recruit and land these 5 star talents. It gets you into the room. But the other coaches in the room get guys to the NBA too. Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, etc. have multiple guys get drafted basically every year. 

[HoosierAloha]

On 5/3/2023 at 9:12 PM, IUFAN1976 said:

“This seems to happen often. The recruit is looking for x, y, and z. IU definitely ahead of the competition when it comes to x, y, and z but then we don't "win" that recruitment. I wonder why that is and if the people saying what the recruit is looking for and how the programs stack up are bias. Odd”

Your reading into the fact that IU is ahead of the competition but doesn’t win the recruitment, and you wonder why, basically thinking the coaching staff dropped the ball

I believe you missed the perspective that was written from when attempting to explain what I was doing. I believe I have a fairly accurate assessment of where IU stands in the pecking order or college basketball recruiting and not surprised at the recruiting win and many losses we've had thus far in 2023 free agency.

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, normandale97 said:

Bill Self has produced quite a few one and done players. JHS was always one and done no matter where he went to college. 

Self has coached a lot of one and done players, but saying 'JHS was always a one and done no matter where he went' is a completely false narrative.  He was the 23rd ranked 2022 recruit coming in.  He was NOT a McDonald's All-American.

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30 minutes ago, normandale97 said:

That's a big assumption though...how do any of us know he isn't starting and getting limited touches? 

I think only one poster said he might be coming off the bench, and whether he would or would not be, there is one basketball at all times.  It's safe to assume that every player on the Kansas team is going to more limited touches than they would if they were somewhere else.  Kansas will be returning two guys that averaged in double figures for them last season + Hunter Dickinson and Timberlake, both top tier transfer guys.  And a fifth guy coming back -- DuJuan Harris -- averaged 6 assists per game and shot over 40% from three.