They Fired Tom Allen!

[go iu bb]

12 minutes ago, thebigweave said:

That is my question. Does the buyout continue to expand with each potential extension as if on a sliding scale? Or is it tied to calendar year?

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I don't know. I just assume the worst since it's a very bad contract from IU's perspective.

[Hovadipo]

12 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Oh, is it winning a bowl game that triggers the automatic extension? That makes me feel much better since I thought it was just making a bowl game that did.

It is making a bowl, not winning. 

[Hovadipo]

via IndyStar:
 

If the university wished to terminate Allen any time before Dec. 1, 2024, it would owe him all remaining base, deferred and outside, marketing and promotional income (OMPI). If, for example, he were to be fired without cause following the 2023 season, Indiana University would still owe him more than $20 million.

Beginning Dec. 1, 2024, IU’s duty falls to just 50% of that remaining income, a substantially smaller amount. Termination on that date, for example, would require the university to pay Allen a little under $8 million, and that number would fall under $6 million a year later. Any bowl-triggered extension years would remain in this bucket, for buyout purposes. Allen is scheduled to receive a $100,000 raise via OMPI in any such extension year.
 

 

[AZ Hoosier]

8 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

It is making a bowl, not winning. 

Realistically (and thankfully), I don't think we have to worry about that at this point...

[AZ Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

via IndyStar:
 

If the university wished to terminate Allen any time before Dec. 1, 2024, it would owe him all remaining base, deferred and outside, marketing and promotional income (OMPI). If, for example, he were to be fired without cause following the 2023 season, Indiana University would still owe him more than $20 million.

Beginning Dec. 1, 2024, IU’s duty falls to just 50% of that remaining income, a substantially smaller amount. Termination on that date, for example, would require the university to pay Allen a little under $8 million, and that number would fall under $6 million a year later. Any bowl-triggered extension years would remain in this bucket, for buyout purposes. Allen is scheduled to receive a $100,000 raise via OMPI in any such extension year.
 

 

What the hell was Dolson smoking when he did that contract extension?

[OGIUAndy]

5 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

The next step for IU football is getting to crappy bowl games and winning them. In our hypothetical scenario, we would have just fired a coach who did exactly that and in a 5 season stretch, had 3 winning seasons, played in 2 January bowl games, won our first bowl game since ‘91, had us ranked in the top 10 at one point. I have my own thoughts on TA. Put all the qualifiers and asterisks on the COVID season, I get it. But this is arguably the worst program in major college football. I don’t care how much money we are offering, that would be one of the biggest “who the hell do you think you are?” moments in sports history to fire that coach. 

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

[LIHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

via IndyStar:
 

If the university wished to terminate Allen any time before Dec. 1, 2024, it would owe him all remaining base, deferred and outside, marketing and promotional income (OMPI). If, for example, he were to be fired without cause following the 2023 season, Indiana University would still owe him more than $20 million.

Beginning Dec. 1, 2024, IU’s duty falls to just 50% of that remaining income, a substantially smaller amount. Termination on that date, for example, would require the university to pay Allen a little under $8 million, and that number would fall under $6 million a year later. Any bowl-triggered extension years would remain in this bucket, for buyout purposes. Allen is scheduled to receive a $100,000 raise via OMPI in any such extension year.
 

 

I was looking it up the same time as you; I saw Osterman's article you posted but I saw the contrary from Rittenberg (ESPN).

Indiana would owe Allen all of his remaining compensation if it fires the coach without cause before Dec. 1, 2024. The school would owe Allen 50% of his remaining compensation in the final three years of the agreement, and 100% of his compensation for years tacked on in future contract extensions.

Serious question, what is IUFB's APR? Since there's a thousand bowls now, they go to 5-7 teams if there aren't enough FBS teams with 6+ wins. I believe the succession order is based on either prior season or 3 year rolling APR.

[Hovadipo]

6 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

I was looking it up the same time as you; I saw Osterman's article you posted but I saw the contrary from Rittenberg (ESPN).

Indiana would owe Allen all of his remaining compensation if it fires the coach without cause before Dec. 1, 2024. The school would owe Allen 50% of his remaining compensation in the final three years of the agreement, and 100% of his compensation for years tacked on in future contract extensions.

Serious question, what is IUFB's APR? Since there's a thousand bowls now, they go to 5-7 teams if there aren't enough FBS teams with 6+ wins. I believe the succession order is based on either prior season or 3 year rolling APR.

I seem to remember seeing an APR list for 5-win bowl teams a year or two ago and if IU had got to that mark, they’d have been pretty high on the list to get a bowl invite. 

(Also, strange that Rittenberg and Osterman are on the total opposite sides of the evergreen deal buyout deets. Maybe we can get one of our board lawyers to dive in pro bono)

Edit: IU’s APR was ranked 46th last year. Didn’t tally it up, but a majority of teams ahead of us were either 6+ win teams or completely terrible. In the next couple of weeks I’d expect bowl projectors to start running those numbers. The article I found was dated Nov. 22. 

[JSHoosier]

12 minutes ago, LIHoosier said:

I was looking it up the same time as you; I saw Osterman's article you posted but I saw the contrary from Rittenberg (ESPN).

Indiana would owe Allen all of his remaining compensation if it fires the coach without cause before Dec. 1, 2024. The school would owe Allen 50% of his remaining compensation in the final three years of the agreement, and 100% of his compensation for years tacked on in future contract extensions.

Serious question, what is IUFB's APR? Since there's a thousand bowls now, they go to 5-7 teams if there aren't enough FBS teams with 6+ wins. I believe the succession order is based on either prior season or 3 year rolling APR.

I know it wouldn't happen, but when a big part of the job is winning games the last few years should count as cause.

[TTT]

16 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

What the hell was Dolson smoking when he did that contract extension?

Overly excited.

[JSHoosier]

19 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

What the hell was Dolson smoking when he did that contract extension?

Whatever it was would knock Willie Nelson on his butt.

[Lebowski]

I'm like a broken record here, IUFB has a total of 13 bowl appearances and, wait for it, a grand total of 3 victories in its 136 year history. Read that sentence again. 

Folks are saying the want to fire the coach that would get IUFB its 4th bowl victory in program history. No coach these folks are wanting would ever consider coaching IUFB if they got their wishes for the hypothetical question I asked them. Not a single coach worth a darn. Not one.

[NashvilleHoosier]

20 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

I know, which would make winning a bowl game (which was the hypothetical posed) all the more impressive. I likely have the same thoughts on TA as you do. But in that hypothetical scenario of a 7-6 record with a bowl win, which would include a 5 game win streak, we cannot possibly fire the coach that does that. Again…who the hell do we think we are? I know some will say that even with that record, we’d have only beaten bad teams. Correct! That’s fantastic! Indiana football needs to focus on beating the other bad teams and winning a crappy bowl game. That is a remarkable season for this program. 

[Lebowski]

20 minutes ago, OGIUAndy said:

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

Let's be real honest and compare his overall resume.  He has had the most wins by any other IUFB coach over the past twenty years. He's beaten teams IUFB hasn't beaten in decades. And if he goes bowling this year, he deserves credit for achieving that rare experience for the program. He's already coached 23% of the program's bowl history, and if they go bowling this year, that would jump to 29%. 

The program is what it is. 

[Lebowski]

16 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I know, which would make winning a bowl game (which was the hypothetical posed) all the more impressive. I likely have the same thoughts on TA as you do. But in that hypothetical scenario of a 7-6 record with a bowl win, which would include a 5 game win streak, we cannot possibly fire the coach that does that. Again…who the hell do we think we are? I know some will say that even with that record, we’d have only beaten bad teams. Correct! That’s fantastic! Indiana football needs to focus on beating the other bad teams and winning a crappy bowl game. That is a remarkable season for this program. 

Man, I couldn't have said it any better.  This entire conversation is hypothetical and likely won't happen. But if it does, I'm happy for the program and will enjoy the success it achieved this season. And CTA was a reason for it. 

[NashvilleHoosier]

13 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Man, I couldn't have said it any better.  This entire conversation is hypothetical and likely won't happen. But if it does, I'm happy for the program and will enjoy the success it achieved this season. And CTA was a reason for it. 

Yeah, it’s a funny conversation to have. I want so much more for this program. I’m sure we all do. I currently fall pretty firmly in the camp that TA is not the guy to lead this program. But if he rips off a 5 game streak including a bowl win, that changes for me and I’ll believe 2 things. 1.) TA should continue leading this program. 2.) for the past 2 seasons, when a coach was fired and Rod Carey took on a larger responsibility with this team, the team has show considerable improvement. I don’t know what else to say beyond that fairly vague statement, but it would be true.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, OGIUAndy said:

We have not won a bowl game since '91.  CTA has won three BIG games in three years, including yesterday's win. That's not good. I will say if he gets us to 5 or 6 wins he probably doesn't not get canned (especially 6). But let's be real honest, he hasn't shown us much as a head coach.

Tom Allen really owes absolutely everything to Michael Penix and DeBoer. Outside of 2019 and the flukey 2020, he’s 19-39 overall and 7-35 in the Big 10. That’s a 16.7% conference winning percentage. 7 conference wins in nearly 5 seasons. 3-21 since the 2020 season. His firing can’t come soon enough. 

[Lebowski]

11 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Tom Allen really owes absolutely everything to Michael Penix and DeBoer. Outside of 2019 and the flukey 2020, he’s 19-39 overall and 7-35 in the Big 10. That’s a 16.7% conference winning percentage. 7 conference wins in nearly 5 seasons. 3-21 since the 2020 season. His firing can’t come soon enough. 

So, kudos to Allen for recruiting and hiring?  It's not like they just decided to come to IUFB for no reason, right?  Do the two you mention here "owe" anything to IUFB and CTA? Like without IUFB, their chemistry takes a little longer to build and who knows what kind of record Washington has, correct? 

Look, I'm not saying CTA is the right guy for IUFB but man, we fans have to try and look at the entire CTA picture honestly. He deserves credit when credit is due.  

[Lebowski]

1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Yeah, it’s a funny conversation to have. I want so much more for this program. I’m sure we all do. I currently fall pretty firmly in the camp that TA is not the guy to lead this program. But if he rips off a 5 game streak including a bowl win, that changes for me and I’ll believe 2 things. 1.) TA should continue leading this program. 2.) for the past 2 seasons, when a coach was fired and Rod Carey took on a larger responsibility with this team, the team has show considerable improvement. I don’t know what else to say beyond that fairly vague statement, but it would be true.

Same team. 

[Demo]

1 hour ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

I know, which would make winning a bowl game (which was the hypothetical posed) all the more impressive. I likely have the same thoughts on TA as you do. But in that hypothetical scenario of a 7-6 record with a bowl win, which would include a 5 game win streak, we cannot possibly fire the coach that does that. Again…who the hell do we think we are? I know some will say that even with that record, we’d have only beaten bad teams. Correct! That’s fantastic! Indiana football needs to focus on beating the other bad teams and winning a crappy bowl game. That is a remarkable season for this program. 

You’re right. In that scenario there is a 0% chance he’s fired and anyone lobbying for it at that point would be tilting at windmills. But, big but, even against 3 bad teams this one is a lot more likely to go 0-3 than 3-0. Maybe they get the home game against MSU, if you don’t beat those guys that probably ought to be the nail in the coffin, but I’ll believe this team wins a road game when they win a road game and not a second before.