IU Basketball News and Notes

[TheWatShot 16,024]

50 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I would say (geez, why is everyone about to get so angry at me?) that Woodson's second year, when we were a 4 seed, was maaaaybe kinda an overachivement. 

We started that season #10 in the AP Poll, and went on to lose 12 games. There were some fun moments, but I would hardly say that group overachieved. 

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1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

At first glance, true. But...

That team also had a sophomore Tamar Bates, who went on to be very good at Missouri. It also had freshmen Kaleb Banks and CJ Gunn, who did very well at Tulane and DePaul respectively. They've reunited at DePaul and will be interesting to see how Banks does. It also had upperclassmen who were solid enough like Race and Kopp. Freshman Reneau was okay in small doses. Galloway was a junior. Leal was there but seldom played. Seems more like there was plenty of talent that was poorly utilized IMO.

Many people expected a S16 that year. 23-12, #4 seed and a blow out second round exit... I think was a fair expectation for that roster. And I think they achieved what little they did despite of – not because of – their coaching staff. JMO

Woody owes every penny he made at IU to Trayce Jackson Davis. He was just insane down the stretch that year. 

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We started that season #10 in the AP Poll, and went on to lose 12 games. There were some fun moments, but I would hardly say that group overachieved. 

Woody and Trayce paraded around the off-season joking about winning it all that year. TJD was one of my all time favorites. He worked his tail off to win games. Still reps the university. Love Trayce.

Woody had huge expectations for that season. And the money pot season too.


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Lower stadium tickets selling cheap. My off-season concerns about fan enthusiasm seems to be on target.

Win that Marquette game and the Louisville game people might believe.


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6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Woody and Trayce paraded around the off-season joking about winning it all that year. TJD was one of my all time favorites. He worked his tail off to win games. Still reps the university. Love Trayce.

Woody had huge expectations for that season. And the money pot season too.


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And he crapped those satin sheets.

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5 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lower stadium tickets selling cheap. My off-season concerns about fan enthusiasm seems to be on target.

Win that Marquette game and the Louisville game people might believe.


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I always felt the woody hire was the last one the team would get the benefit of the doubt with.  Now a coach has to earn the fans. 
 

I feel like that’s the official confirmation that we are no longer a basketball school. And that would have happened regardless of how the football team did 

[WayneFleekHoosier 52,263]

I always felt the woody hire was the last one the team would get the benefit of the doubt with.  Now a coach has to earn the fans. 
 
I feel like that’s the official confirmation that we are no longer a basketball school. And that would have happened regardless of how the football team did 

Yeah, I agree. You can only get away with it so long. To me it’s been amazing how long and strong the fanbase has tried to propel this program. I’ve been proud of that.

Seems like enough is enough. I DO think if DeVries put together a top 10 roster in the off-season the hype machine would have been in action and fans woulda been ready to go. As it’s gone, most have lowered their expectations and settled into a wait and see approach.

Imo, it’s a good setup for DDV, but for the program overall it’s a drop to normalcy.


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9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yeah, I agree. You can only get away with it so long. To me it’s been amazing how long and strong the fanbase has tried to propel this program. I’ve been proud of that.

Seems like enough is enough. I DO think if DeVries put together a top 10 roster in the off-season the hype machine would have been in action and fans woulda been ready to go. As it’s gone, most have lowered their expectations and settled into a wait and see approach.

Imo, it’s a good setup for DDV, but for the program overall it’s a drop to normalcy.


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I don’t know if enough people follow recruiting rankings for that to be enough.  Certainly would have helped though and if the football team was disappointing maybe.  
 

Now I do think the fans come back real quick if we start looking good. 

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56 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I always felt the woody hire was the last one the team would get the benefit of the doubt with.  Now a coach has to earn the fans. 
 

I feel like that’s the official confirmation that we are no longer a basketball school. And that would have happened regardless of how the football team did 

I don’t think Woody got the benefit of the doubt. He was temporarily buoyed by things like Knight publicly coming back, making the tourney, and then TJDs final year. Archie killed the remaining goodwill for the program.

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37 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I don’t think Woody got the benefit of the doubt. He was temporarily buoyed by things like Knight publicly coming back, making the tourney, and then TJDs final year. Archie killed the remaining goodwill for the program.

Knight coming back and TJDs final year came after woody got started.  There was excitement for an IU legend returning to campus as Ill founded as that was 

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58 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yeah, I agree. You can only get away with it so long. To me it’s been amazing how long and strong the fanbase has tried to propel this program. I’ve been proud of that.

Imo, it’s a good setup for DDV, but for the program overall it’s a drop to normalcy.

IMO the "drop to normalcy" became a given with Archie's 20 point loss to IPFW. Fans have found a few glimmers of hope since then, but on the whole it's been a slow and painful descent for decades. That felt like a moment that really deflated the fanbase though. 

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

I always felt the woody hire was the last one the team would get the benefit of the doubt with.  Now a coach has to earn the fans. 
 

I feel like that’s the official confirmation that we are no longer a basketball school. And that would have happened regardless of how the football team did 

IU is absolutely a football school now. Ask any student there... they'll tell you.

We are a football school with a rich basketball history. We have the potential to be an "everything" school if DDV can get us on the right track on the basketball side.

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16 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

IMO the "drop to normalcy" became a given with Archie's 20 point loss to IPFW. Fans have found a few glimmers of hope since then, but on the whole it's been a slow and painful descent for decades. That felt like a moment that really deflated the fanbase though. 

IU is absolutely a football school now. Ask any student there... they'll tell you.

We are a football school with a rich basketball history. We have the potential to be an "everything" school if DDV can get us on the right track on the basketball side.

Not just the students. We get a top 50 bball recruit and even this board spends little time discussing. That thread is not even on the front page when I pull up the site. 

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34 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

IMO the "drop to normalcy" became a given with Archie's 20 point loss to IPFW. Fans have found a few glimmers of hope since then, but on the whole it's been a slow and painful descent for decades. That felt like a moment that really deflated the fanbase though. 

IU is absolutely a football school now. Ask any student there... they'll tell you.

We are a football school with a rich basketball history. We have the potential to be an "everything" school if DDV can get us on the right track on the basketball side.

I don’t think we’re a football school because of a 2 year run with new coach. Current students  will say so bc that’s sll they know, after Woody. We start winning well again in bball, and we’re immediately a recognized bball program getting noise again. 

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3 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I don’t think we’re a football school because of a 2 year run with new coach. Current students  will say so bc that’s sll they know, after Woody. We start winning well again in bball, and we’re immediately a recognized bball program getting noise again. 

I think the students who make up the university community today are the best authority to say if it's currently a basketball or football school. Fun but meaningless distinction, really. Agree if we do well in bball again we will be recognized for that. But I think it'll make us seen as an "everything" school. I don't see IU football taking a backseat to basketball anytime soon.

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It’s been a decade since our last legitimately good basketball season. It’s been over two decades since we last made it past the sweet 16 (which we’ve done only once in the past 32 years). The Woodson hire showed IU wasn’t serious about winning, and the Devries hire showed that an established coach isn’t coming to save the program. 

Meanwhile we’re 20-2 over our last 22 football games and on the verge of our second straight playoff appearance. Add in the fact that college football is far more popular than college basketball, and I’d say we’re definitely a football school. 

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Not just the students. We get a top 50 bball recruit and even this board spends little time discussing. That thread is not even on the front page when I pull up the site. 

Football is riding high and having a historic season and just rolling with confidence.

Basketball is hoping to be a tournament team and that’s a 50/50 situation.

Both recruits we’ve landed are long term assets with hard to envision immediate impact at the level we want to achieve. We lose basically all of our starters this year again. It’s just not a vision of a top winning program to an outsider. Maybe the prove people wrong, but the vision is we are years off of being hyper competitive. None of this helps.


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23 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I think the students who make up the university community today are the best authority to say if it's currently a basketball or football school. Fun but meaningless distinction, really. Agree if we do well in bball again we will be recognized for that. But I think it'll make us seen as an "everything" school. I don't see IU football taking a backseat to basketball anytime soon.

I tend to think Cig stays because he’s fully supported and has us already winning on a big level, but you have to know the real football schools will come calling. If he leaves IU crashes back down fast. If he stays the U could be s strong fb program for some time. Disagree students determine whether we’re a football or bball program but it’s all just discussion and for fun.

The bball program remains a slesping giant. It wasn’t that long ago that Obama was picking IU to win it all on national tv, Cody and Vic were huge, and a mediocre coach in Crean had the U with the nation’s longest #1 ranking. All it takes is the right coach with support from the AD. It looks like we may have that again but we’ll know in a couple seasons or so whether that looks to pan out.

Hell we’re already a long-time elite soccer school, Moren has the women’s program working its way onto the national stage, Cig is legit, and maybe, just maybe we’re on the cusp with DeVries. He looks to be cut from the same cloth as Cig

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29 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I tend to think Cig stays because he’s fully supported and has us already winning on a big level, but you have to know the real football schools will come calling. If he leaves IU crashes back down fast. If he stays the U could be s strong fb program for some time. Disagree students determine whether we’re a football or bball program but it’s all just discussion and for fun.

The bball program remains a slesping giant. It wasn’t that long ago that Obama was picking IU to win it all on national tv, Cody and Vic were huge, and a mediocre coach in Crean had the U with the nation’s longest #1 ranking. All it takes is the right coach with support from the AD. It looks like we may have that again but we’ll know in a couple seasons or so whether that looks to pan out.

Hell we’re already a long-time elite soccer school, Moren has the women’s program working its way onto the national stage, Cig is legit, and maybe, just maybe we’re on the cusp with DeVries. He looks to be cut from the same cloth as Cig

Yeah, I guess it depends how you view what makes a school one or the other. Is it the history? Is it the fan engagement? Is it being prioritized by the university administration? Does it depend on inherent advantages, like being located in a fertile recruiting ground? 

I'd say you can make a case for IU football over IU basketball in all those categories. More high level football success in these two years than basically the past 30 years of basketball. Fan enthusiasm way higher for IUFB. Indiana has good high school basketball and a great culture around that, but Bloomington is also within a 4 hour driving radius of a lot of good high school football. And, in terms of financial/administrative support... I think it's pretty clear the AD has prioritized football for the foreseeable future. Long term that should benefit basketball too, but short term, when push comes to shove, football is going to get the discretionary dollars.

That said, I agree that DDV may be exactly the kind of coach the basketball program needs to become relevant again. No doubt the excitement will be there for basketball if the product is clearly improved. 

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14 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I tend to think Cig stays because he’s fully supported and has us already winning on a big level, but you have to know the real football schools will come calling. If he leaves IU crashes back down fast. If he stays the U could be s strong fb program for some time. Disagree students determine whether we’re a football or bball program but it’s all just discussion and for fun.

The bball program remains a slesping giant. It wasn’t that long ago that Obama was picking IU to win it all on national tv, Cody and Vic were huge, and a mediocre coach in Crean had the U with the nation’s longest #1 ranking. All it takes is the right coach with support from the AD. It looks like we may have that again but we’ll know in a couple seasons or so whether that looks to pan out.

Hell we’re already a long-time elite soccer school, Moren has the women’s program working its way onto the national stage, Cig is legit, and maybe, just maybe we’re on the cusp with DeVries. He looks to be cut from the same cloth as Cig

I've been a basketball guy since the late '50's. I also followed IU football. Since Cignetti got here I have shifted my main interest to football. Part of the reason was the never ending negatively in the various fire the coach threads. Most of it, however, was the overwhelmingly positive momentum that Coach Cignetti brought to what had been a dismal IU football program. I haven't followed much relating to IU basketball and I probably won't until this glorious football season is over. Coach Cignetti is to IU football what Coach Knight was to IU basketball and I'm just happy that I am here for it.

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5 minutes ago, cthomas said:

I've been a basketball guy since the late '50's. I also followed IU football. Since Cignetti got here I have shifted my main interest to football. Part of the reason was the never ending negatively in the various fire the coach threads. Most of it, however, was the overwhelmingly positive momentum that Coach Cignetti brought to what had been a dismal IU football program. I haven't followed much relating to IU basketball and I probably won't until this glorious football season is over. Coach Cignetti is to IU football what Coach Knight was to IU basketball and I'm just happy that I am here for it.

I hear you. Cig has certainly brought a great deal of fresh air to a program that was just crap for many years (though worth remembering IU did go to the Rose Bowl once, I’m sure you remember). 
I’m a IU bball lifer. When you grow up watching 3 NC teams, the last while you were at IU, and even roughly a decade after of IU as the cream of men’s basketball, that’s your compass. It’s great that IU is suddenly winning in football over 2 seasons but that doesn’t change the landscape for me. Our AD picked DeVries with the same approach Cig was picked. I expect we’ll see IU winning again pretty soon, and with that cones the spotlight, the uptick in recruiting, the uptick in portal and blam IU will quickly be “back” imo.
That Bilas is already out there saying DeVries was one of the top hires speaks volumes. The negativity has been around for a long time, a lot of ut was deserved with the crap Miller and then Woody put on the floor, but a lot of it started with the whole RMK firing fallout, and that just is what it is. I think with an actual bball mind, the first since Sampson, things will trend positive soon