2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[HoosierInParadise]

I know all the arguments, but I'm not a fan of this approach. I understand that scholarships are a one year deal but I believe that commitments should be a two way street. If a kid gets a scholarship and fulfills his end of that agreement, then we should honor that. I want to win as much as anyone, but not at any cost. This all seems a little contradictory to the things that CMW said when he was hired. He was about family and being there for the kids on and off the court. Getting rid of kids who committed to you in a time of need just to marginally improve the roster does not seem right to me. A good culture should start with loyalty that goes both ways.

This is based on the assumption that the "big bad coach" is telling Leal he has to give up his scholarship to stay on the team. What if Leal came to him and volunteered to give it up? What if the parents met with Coach Woodson and told him to do whatever is necessary to build the best team possible, including using their son's scholarship? Some have said that we need selfless people, regardless of talent, at the end of the bench taking up scholarship 10-13. Maybe Leal is being as selfless as some would like him to be?

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[cthomas]

4 hours ago, mbredenk101 said:

This is based on the assumption that the "big bad coach" is telling Leal he has to give up his scholarship to stay on the team. What if Leal came to him and volunteered to give it up? What if the parents met with Coach Woodson and told him to do whatever is necessary to build the best team possible, including using their son's scholarship? Some have said that we need selfless people, regardless of talent, at the end of the bench taking up scholarship 10-13. Maybe Leal is being as selfless as some would like him to be?

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Of course, circumstances matter. If a kid wants to do something like that, it's his choice. Just not a big fan of pushing a kid out who is doing everything asked of him.

[PB1230]

5 hours ago, mbredenk101 said:

This is based on the assumption that the "big bad coach" is telling Leal he has to give up his scholarship to stay on the team. What if Leal came to him and volunteered to give it up? What if the parents met with Coach Woodson and told him to do whatever is necessary to build the best team possible, including using their son's scholarship? Some have said that we need selfless people, regardless of talent, at the end of the bench taking up scholarship 10-13. Maybe Leal is being as selfless as some would like him to be?

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I'm also starting to think that TJD could be the most likely candidate to pay his own way. He has until June 1 (10 days after combine) to pull his name out of the draft and retain NCAA eligibility. If he stays, he would want the best possible team around him. If he leaves, he wouldn't want to put Woodson and the team in a bad situation not having had the chance to fill his spot. He has already earned more than enough NIL money to cover tuition/etc, and he would be the one assuming the risk to test the waters with the NBA, and that cost might be worth it to him maximize his NBA chances.

[cleeter]

"Guys, an All-American level player is not going to pay his own way. If Trayce returns, he will be on full scholarship. And again — again — there is no big chess game going on here." - Said another man at a another site that surely has way more insight than any of us (minus a very select few) combined. 

This isn't meant to bash anyone, so please don't take it that way...just a quote I wanted to pass along that squashes this theory

[HoosierFan1994]

Have to think this time next week we will know way more. 

1) NBA Combine invites should be going out soon. I think they send them out after the April 24th deadline. If Trayce gets an invite we won't probably hear about him until around Memorial Day. If he doesn't, he could be back as early as next week. They usually take 60-70 players at the combine. 

2) Have to think Dennis and McNeil make their decisions in the next week. I saw @Chris007 said the staff felt confident about Dennis. 

3) May 1st deadline is coming up. IF someone is leaving the program, they need to do so by May 1st in order to play right away. My guess is Leal pays his way or Kopp gets a waiver to transfer and play somewhere else. I think Geronimo and Duncomb would have left by now. 

After the dust settles the fun can begin with possible lineups/rotations and figuring about where IU stands in the B1G and nationally. As far as hype, probably will be the highest IU has been in the preseason since 2016-2017 (that didn't go so well though..)

[Chris007]

7 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Have to think this time next week we will know way more. 

1) NBA Combine invites should be going out soon. I think they send them out after the April 24th deadline. If Trayce gets an invite we won't probably hear about him until around Memorial Day. If he doesn't, he could be back as early as next week. They usually take 60-70 players at the combine. 

2) Have to think Dennis and McNeil make their decisions in the next week. I saw @Chris007 said the staff felt confident about Dennis. 

3) May 1st deadline is coming up. IF someone is leaving the program, they need to do so by May 1st in order to play right away. My guess is Leal pays his way or Kopp gets a waiver to transfer and play somewhere else. I think Geronimo and Duncomb would have left by now. 

After the dust settles the fun can begin with possible lineups/rotations and figuring about where IU stands in the B1G and nationally. As far as hype, probably will be the highest IU has been in the preseason since 2016-2017 (that didn't go so well though..)

I'm just kidding but how does McNeil not pick IU while visiting during Little 500 weekend. Beautiful weather, lots of parties, has to be a dream visit. 

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm just kidding but how does McNeil not pick IU while visiting during Little 500 weekend. Beautiful weather, lots of parties, has to be a dream visit. 

 

McNeil has a high school sweetheart fiancé. Not saying that will prevent him from having a lot of fun, but that does change the dynamic a little.

 

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

McNeil has a high school sweetheart fiancé. Not saying that will prevent him from having a lot of fun, but that does change the dynamic a little.

 

[HoosierCoop]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

McNeil has a high school sweetheart fiancé. Not saying that will prevent him from having a lot of fun, but that does change the dynamic a little.

 

"Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals."

                                                     -Otter, Delta House President

[HoosierFan1994]

16 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I'm just kidding but how does McNeil not pick IU while visiting during Little 500 weekend. Beautiful weather, lots of parties, has to be a dream visit. 

No kidding! Saw he is visiting Louisville next week so his decision may be a little later. However, if Dennis commits soon would IU still consider McNeil? Based on size/numbers I think Dennis would be a starter at IU. I'm not 100% sure McNeil starts next year. Being 6'3 I think he would come off the bench. That's why I think Dennis probably has a better chance of coming here... Dexter shoots 34% from 3 on his career. If that number goes up north a little more he would be a sneaky good pickup. 

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

No kidding! Saw he is visiting Louisville next week so his decision may be a little later. However, if Dennis commits soon would IU still consider McNeil? Based on size/numbers I think Dennis would be a starter at IU. I'm not 100% sure McNeil starts next year. Being 6'3 I think he would come off the bench. That's why I think Dennis probably has a better chance of coming here. 

From the sounds of it, IU would take both if they both wanted to come. McNeil also has a few other visits besides next weekend. 

[BannerUp40]

I want both McNeil and Dennis, rather have Dennis than McNeil... Good to be back talking hoops with you all.

Says i'm a 1 star recruit---- that sounds about right. 

Edited April 22, 2022 by BannerUp40

[RaceToTheTop]

18 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

No kidding! Saw he is visiting Louisville next week so his decision may be a little later. However, if Dennis commits soon would IU still consider McNeil? Based on size/numbers I think Dennis would be a starter at IU. I'm not 100% sure McNeil starts next year. Being 6'3 I think he would come off the bench. That's why I think Dennis probably has a better chance of coming here... Dexter shoots 34% from 3 on his career. If that number goes up north a little more he would be a sneaky good pickup. 

From what we know about Louisville's previous dynamics, every day is the Little 500 for Louisville basketball players.

[DWB]

6 hours ago, cthomas said:

Of course, circumstances matter. If a kid wants to do something like that, it's his choice. Just not a big fan of pushing a kid out who is doing everything asked of him.

And if Woody cuts Leal, what does that do to his recruiting efforts within the state? Kick off a Mr Basketball, for a "possible" slightly better recruit that won't get that many more minutes than Leal would anyway? Might be a bitter pill for HS coaches to swallow and still support IU's recruiting efforts (this point was made by Rabjohns).

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, DWB said:

And if Woody cuts Leal, what does that do to his recruiting efforts within the state? Kick off a Mr Basketball, for a "possible" slightly better recruit that won't get that many more minutes than Leal would anyway? Might be a bitter pill for HS coaches to swallow and still support IU's recruiting efforts (this point was made by Rabjohns).

I’m sure the staff is aware of that factor.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

13 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I’m sure the staff is aware of that factor.

I’d hope so.  

[RaceToTheTop]

11 hours ago, mbredenk101 said:

This is based on the assumption that the "big bad coach" is telling Leal he has to give up his scholarship to stay on the team. What if Leal came to him and volunteered to give it up? What if the parents met with Coach Woodson and told him to do whatever is necessary to build the best team possible, including using their son's scholarship? Some have said that we need selfless people, regardless of talent, at the end of the bench taking up scholarship 10-13. Maybe Leal is being as selfless as some would like him to be?

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I would say that’s a giant leap to think that is the case.

[Hoosierfanyuh]

The staff isnt stupid. Itll be handled just fine, relax lol

[RaceToTheTop]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I’m sure the staff is aware of that factor.

Doesn’t make them correct in their risk assessment, though.  

I am completely in the staff’s corner.  But I have been with every staff since Knight left in thdd we hope of IU getting back to national prominence.  But there is a difference between support and blind faith.  Support shouldn’t come without the ability to ask questions.  

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Doesn’t make them correct in their risk assessment, though.  

I am completely in the staff’s corner.  But I have been with every staff since Knight left in thdd we hope of IU getting back to national prominence.  But there is a difference between support and blind faith.  Support shouldn’t come without the ability to ask questions.  

Oh completely agree…

Spitballing  and critiquing those decisions is what we do around here!