Ooooook who’s your # 2?

[Notithatlives]

12 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

And that's the biggest issue for me should we go with Woodson --  who will be on his staff.   IMO Juwan Howard nailed it by adding Phil Martelli with his connections to the college world of rules/recruiting/kissing AAU butts, etc.  Again, IMO Woodson would need the same quality of hire on his staff and we can't just assume Roberts and Hunter stick around or that Woody would even want them to stick around.  

Are you saying Phil Marteli is to blame for Michigan's recruiting success?  

 

[Josh]

For those of you saying that you'll give up on IU if they hire a coach you don't like...stop it.  No you won't.

Four years ago I knew the one candidate who would be terrible was Archie Miller.  I'm still a fan.  Treesh hated it so much he said he was done.  Now he's Archie's biggest fan. 

You're not quitting IU basketball if we hire the guy you don't want.  It's ingrained in your soul.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

For those of you saying that you'll give up on IU if they hire a coach you don't like...stop it.  No you won't.

Four years ago I knew the one candidate who would be terrible was Archie Miller.  I'm still a fan.  Treesh hated it so much he said he was done.  Now he's Archie's biggest fan. 

You're not quitting IU basketball if we hire the guy you don't want.  It's ingrained in your soul.

My interest in IU basketball was at an all-time low this past season. I watched fewer games this year than I ever have since I became a fan. Make a hire like Woodson and my interest drops even more. Probably more than a fifth Archie season would have dropped it, because at least in that scenario there would’ve been light at the end of the tunnel. There are too many things out there to do to waste my time on a bad basketball program. 

[Gnet550]

Here’s a thought:...

how about Chaney with Hunter, Lewis, Fife, and Roberts as assistants...

[Demo]

46 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

So, many on here want another ...

Mike Davis

Kelvin Sampson

Tom Crean

Archie Miller

Instead of an Indiana guy.
How’d that workout.

Btw- have you seen Justin Smith at Arkansas?
Court is the same size.
Rim is the same height.
What changed?


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Usually avoid the IU guy convo like the plague. It’s as pointless as arguing about abortion. But somehow ya got me, so I gotta get into this for a second. Couple of things: 1) Smith is absolutely playing better at Arkansas, stats aside. It’s a better system for him and Musselman is a better coach. That seems more like an argument for the best coach than for an IU guy. 2) Compare RMK’s, who by the way wasn’t an IU guy,  last 6 years with Crean’s. One of them won Conf championships and went to sweet 16’s and one of them didn’t. 3) If there was a single IU guy that didn’t require ya to stretch your hiring criterion beyond recognition, they’d already have the job. But there isn’t. You don’t think Dolson wouldn’t sell his mother for a great IU guy candidate?  But there isn’t. Other than the 2 UNC guys, how many other schools have stuck to their own coaching tree successfully? I can’t think of another one, though I think Duke’s gonna try with Scheyer. But IU doesn’t have a Scheyer.

[ap2345]

3 minutes ago, Gnet550 said:

Here’s a thought:...

how about Chaney with Hunter, Lewis, Fife, and Roberts as assistants...

That’s fine but what makes you think that Cheaney should be the head coach of the group. I don’t see that many IU guys on the staff.

[mdiu28]

1 hour ago, Whoozhers said:

1. Indiana guy.

2. Indiana guy.

3. Indiana guy.

4. Indiana guy.

5. Indiana guy.

That’s my top 5.
In that order.
Nothing else to consider.


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Why?

There is NO "IU guy" that is worthy of the job right now. No one. 

Why do some people think a coach (who went to IU) will all of a sudden become great when they get back to Bloomington? There's a reason all "IU guys" are either unemployed, not coaching, been fired recently, or are assistants - outside of Alford they aren't good enough to get a head job - so what - IU just gives them one of the best, highest profile jobs there is hoping it works out? Come on. 

No one on here would even know who Alford, Fife, Cheaney, etc are had they not gone to IU. 

Put an IU guy on the bench as an assistant. That's it. 

[pumpfake]

3 hours ago, IndyFife said:

Terrible?!?  Energy and charisma and took on an impossible job with IPFW and has now studied under a master for years.  He may not be the right guy but he’s far from terrible.

I have to say the "studied under a master line" rings hollow to me.  How many of RMK's assistants at IU ever did anything as head coaches?

[NashvilleHoosier]

49 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

Lol!
It can be Alford. To turn the reins over now to someone without Hoosier roots is ludicrous. Period.


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What’s 10 time more ludicrous is making “Hoosier roots” or “Indiana guy” the first and only requirement.

[Whoozhers]

Too many anti IU roots posters on here. Must be from PU not wanting to show up Painter.
Sad.


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[NashvilleHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

Too many anti IU roots posters on here. Must be from PU not wanting to show up Painter.
Sad.


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Quite the opposite actually. We love IU so much we are willing to scream as loud as we have to In order to save ourselves from the it has to be an IU guy thought process. 
 

As Demo said (his point #3) if there were an IU guy who didn’t require you to stretch your criterion beyond recognition, he’d already have the job. But there isn’t.

[Whoozhers]

Quite the opposite actually. We love IU so much we are willing to scream as loud as we have to In order to save ourselves from the it has to be an IU guy thought process. 
 
As Demo said (his point #3) if there were an IU guy who didn’t require you to stretch your criterion beyond recognition, he’d already have the job. But there isn’t.

Lol! You’ve lived in Nashville too long.


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[8bucks]

18 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

I have to say the "studied under a master line" rings hollow to me.  How many of RMK's assistants at IU ever did anything as head coaches?

Back in 2016 RMK was ranked 2nd for this very thing  

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2654360-ranking-the-best-coaching-trees-in-college-basketball-history.amp.html

Now you may not recognize some of the names but he also had his peak 20 years ago. Still, his coaching tree was one of the best. 
 

Maybe we should just hire Chris Beard instead. Oh wait...

[Its Always Sunny at IU]

NFL and college teams hire top assistants all the time. Michigan State has been the best program in the Big Ten for 20 years. Dane Fife helped build the MSU culture - including recruiting. Let's duplicate that here. He was at IU during Knights firing and instead of transferring helped lead us to the national title game. I actually think Fife would be a great hire for any Big Ten team.

[NashvilleHoosier]

4 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

Lol! You’ve lived in Nashville too long.


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Oh the irony of your comment being accompanied by some candy striped pants on a statue in.....Philadelphia. 
 

[8bucks]

1 minute ago, Its Always Sunny at IU said:

NFL and college teams hire top assistants all the time. Michigan State has been the best program in the Big Ten for 20 years. Dane Fife helped build the MSU culture - including recruiting. Let's duplicate that here. He was at IU during Knights firing and instead of transferring helped lead us to the national title game. I actually think Fife would be a great hire for any Big Ten team.

I have no idea if Fife is the best candidate but I made the same point. The NFL goes with the assistant coach to HC route all the time. Sometimes they even skip the OC or DC assistants and hire special teams assistants like Harbaugh. 
 

I would try to get an established P5 guy first but we may have to build our own guy here.  Fife has been ranked one of the top HC prospects the last couple years. If the P5 guys are not good fits I prefer Fife with Lewis and a older coach and a strong player development program. Spend money on proven assistants and if Fife is a great leader he should be considered. 

[mdiu28]

29 minutes ago, Its Always Sunny at IU said:

NFL and college teams hire top assistants all the time. Michigan State has been the best program in the Big Ten for 20 years. Dane Fife helped build the MSU culture - including recruiting. Let's duplicate that here. He was at IU during Knights firing and instead of transferring helped lead us to the national title game. I actually think Fife would be a great hire for any Big Ten team.

Pretty sure the Minnesota job is open....

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

4 minutes ago, mdiu28 said:

Pretty sure the Minnesota job is open....

Mostly a given that it's Brian Dutcher's to have.

[JaybobHoosier]

I know some find him an iffy candidate, but a fully healthy Thad Matta would be a home run hire, even with the 4 year hiatus. Keep Hunter on the staff to help with recruiting! If he’s healthy and shows no concerns in the future, we would be lucky to have him as our coach! 

[mdiu28]

Just now, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Mostly a given that it's Brian Dutcher's to have.

Just sayin he can be a B1G head coach, just isn't the right time for IU to hire him. Assistant sure. 

This is why I'm not totally opposed to Beilein. Hire JB, bring Fife, and Michael Lewis if you can and let one of them have the job in 4-5 years when John retires. We could do worse.