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4 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Fully agree. I don't like some of the names you mention but it's common sense. Even from a casual fans perspective. You look at the coaches at the big schools who are currently winning. Not an an NBA assistant who has never coached college basketball. 

 

If they don't come then they don't come. But you still have to try. Use the big checkbook he apparently has and make each of them tell you no before you turn to the other guys. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If they don't come then they don't come. But you still have to try. Use the big checkbook he apparently has and make each of them tell you no before you turn to the other guys. 

Exactly. Mike Woodson and Dane Fife etc. would come if they are the first pick or the seventeenth pick. IU needs to swing for the fences before it settles.

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If they don't come then they don't come. But you still have to try. Use the big checkbook he apparently has and make each of them tell you no before you turn to the other guys. 

And if those "big" guys say no. Then Indiana Basketball has indeed fallen off. Jay Bilas may finally be right. 

Striking out this time around will tell us what we need to know. 

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1 minute ago, Treesh said:

And if those "big" guys say no. Then Indiana Basketball has indeed fallen off. Jay Bilas may finally be right. 

Striking out this time around will tell us what we need to know. 

Indiana Basketball has fallen off whether the "big" guys say yes or no. Have you watched the last 21 years?

HOWEVER, All it takes is the right coach and Indiana will be back. Literally all it takes (yes easier said than done). 

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3 hours ago, Treesh said:

We're really still discussing a guy who doesn't have a winning percentage in the NBA?

Not even a winning percentage in the playoffs? 

Who has only won coach of the month ONE time?

Who has never recruited high school players?

Who has never coached college basketball? 

WHO JUST TURNED 64!!!

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If you were a GM of an NFL team would you have hired a coach with a 36-44 record in 5 years? Well the Patriots  did and never looked back.  You just don't look at results but look at fit and opportunity.  You also look at what the talent level of the team was and see if that team improved over time.

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2 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

If you were a GM of an NFL team would you have hired a coach with a 36-44 record in 5 years? Well the Patriots  did and never looked back.  You just don't look at results but look at fit and opportunity.  You also look at what the talent level of the team was and see if that team improved over time.

Belichick wasn't 63.

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2 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Indiana Basketball has fallen off whether the "big" guys say yes or no. Have you watched the last 21 years?

HOWEVER, All it takes is the right coach and Indiana will be back. Literally all it takes (yes easier said than done). 

Yes I think you're right. 

I've been on the record saying Indiana isn't a GREAT job anymore. It sure can be a great job but we would've seen a better coaching hire four years ago. Beard would be here by now. 

 

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3 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

If you were a GM of an NFL team would you have hired a coach with a 36-44 record in 5 years? Well the Patriots  did and never looked back.  You just don't look at results but look at fit and opportunity.  You also look at what the talent level of the team was and see if that team improved over time.

You are quite right. The problem is, there are a number of people without the vision or thought to understand such things.

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9 minutes ago, FritzIam4IU said:

Belichick wasn't 63.

He also got the GOAT quarterback on his team almost immediately. I don't think Tom Brady would be coming to IU with Mike Woodson. I don't really see the point of pointing to anecdotes and saying well it worked for them so it might work for us too. We need this hire to be a good one. If people think the fan base is bad right now, imagine how bad they'll be if this next hire flops too. Are we really going to take a giant risk and hope it pays off? We can't afford that. We need as close to a sure thing as we can get or we can forget about being anything more than Nebraska football, and Mike Woodson is as far from a sure thing as there is.

I post on this website every day and I'm a bad hire away from becoming a casual fan. Why waste my time caring so much about a program that can't get out of its own way? If I, and guys like Treesh, feel that way, imagine how current casual fans feel. We've never had more than a taste of success in our lifetimes. Crean's 3 sweet 16s are the highlight of our IU fandoms. 

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3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Sorry, "a percentage is a percentage." Also, Tom Allen doesn't even have a winning record as a coach in the playoffs.

He’s undefeated as a head coach in the playoffs. ;)

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3 hours ago, Treesh said:

If we did indeed offer it to Matta, we're far down on the list I assume.

Thad is mostly around 4-7 on here. If it indeed true, then Beard, Drew, Mussleman have turned Indiana down. 

If all this is true, then we're hiring an Indiana guy. 

I'm going to throw up. 

Who cares what fans list looks like because it is not what matters.  I think Dolson knows a lot more about a coaching search than you or anyone on here does.  He has talked to people to gauge interest and probably knows who is interested and who does not.  His list doesn't have to be what our list looks like and to say he must be down to the 5th coach on the list is not accurate.

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3 hours ago, Treesh said:

I'm going to throw up again.

Is Scott old enough to retire? He might want to look into options when this blows up in four years. 

Why don't you find another team to root for then if you are this unhappy with the program.  Fans like you are the ones that give this fan base a bad name and why we are a laughing stock nationally.  If you don't like leave and leave the actual IU fans to root for the team.  We were always told to root for the name on the front of the jersey and not the back so I will do just that.  Not to call you out but fans like you make me sick to my stomach and it embarrasses me that IU has fans like you.

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8 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Yes I think you're right. 

I've been on the record saying Indiana isn't a GREAT job anymore. It sure can be a great job but we would've seen a better coaching hire four years ago. Beard would be here by now. 

 

I am still of the opinion that we can get someone good if we open the checkbooks up. I was just thinking about UCLA hiring Cronin. Cronin grew up in Cincy, and went there for college. He was coming off a 28 win year and had 30 wins the year before. UCLA was laughed at by every media member for how poorly they were handling their search but still managed to get him because they made him the third highest paid coach in the NCAA. I'm sure many UCLA fans thought why would Cronin leave an established program for us. 

I think there is someone proven out there that would come if we offered 6-7 million. I know you don't like him but I'm just using Drew as an example. I still don't know if Baylor could afford to pay Drew that kind of money. He wouldn't be making under 3 million if they could. He's had flirtations with other schools in the past. I know Illinois for example was talking to him before they hired Underwood. 

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30 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If they don't come then they don't come. But you still have to try. Use the big checkbook he apparently has and make each of them tell you no before you turn to the other guys. 

What IF that big checkbook was ONLY for Stevens?  We don’t know the circumstances Dolson is working under.  

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4 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Why don't you find another team to root for then if you are this unhappy with the program.  Fans like you are the ones that give this fan base a bad name and why we are a laughing stock nationally.  If you don't like leave and leave the actual IU fans to root for the team.  We were always told to root for the name on the front of the jersey and not the back so I will do just that.  Not to call you out but fans like you make me sick to my stomach and it embarrasses me that IU has fans like you.

Your whole "I'm a better fan than you" schtick is honestly getting really tiring. Fans are allowed to have expectations for the teams they root for. IU has failed to meet those expectations for the past two decades. The only embarrassing thing here has been IU basketball for the past 20 years.  That's why we're a national laughing stock. 

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2 minutes ago, Unexpectedflash said:

I am still of the opinion that we can get someone good if we open the checkbooks up. I was just thinking about UCLA hiring Cronin. Cronin grew up in Cincy, and went there for college. He was coming off a 28 win year and had 30 wins the year before. UCLA was laughed at by every media member for how poorly they were handling their search but still managed to get him because they made him the third highest paid coach in the NCAA. I'm sure many UCLA fans thought why would Cronin leave an established program for us. 

I think there is someone proven out there that would come if we offered 6-7 million. I know you don't like him but I'm just using Drew as an example. I still don't know if Baylor could afford to pay Drew that kind of money. He wouldn't be making under 3 million if they could. He's had flirtations with other schools in the past. I know Illinois for example was talking to him before they hired Underwood. 

Baylor has plenty of booster money to pay IF they think he is worth it?  He may/may not come for other reasons 

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