General Coach Candidate News

[CSP]

1 minute ago, IU05 said:

Boys boys boys - the only explanation here is that the insiders are having a little fun with us. 
 

We didn’t go from good news yesterday, to “today was a good day” post last night, to “planes meeting in Miami later today” this morning…..all the way to Brownell in that short of timespan. 
 

Hold the line!

let me check my sources 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, Artie86 said:

What are GP, BehindtheBench and Tony, Toni, Tone' hearing?

[JSHoosier]

10 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Too much of a blanket statement for me... I am not saying it will take 9 years. 

But this is Dolson's legacy hire and the program needs stability after 3 coaches in the past 9 seasons. 

They're going to give the next guy the benefit of the doubt as long as the fanbase can withstand it. 

They'll either grow to love him or hate him like Archie and Woody when he wears out his welcome lol. JMO

That kind of time should be earned, not just given. Giving a crappy hire more time accomplishes nothing but removing the program further from relevancy.

Giving bad coaches too much time isn't the answer.

[theriverpilot]

Good for Brownell for the great season, but I feel he's also benefited greatly from a weak ACC conference this year.  Nothing in his long term resume shows consistent success.

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

• Young
• McDermott's lead assistant and offensive engineer at Creighton
• HC at LaLu -- extremely successful there
• And then there's this:

• Statistics overview

  Season	Team	Overall	Conference	Standing	Postseason
  High Point Panthers (Big South) (2023–present)
  2023–24	High Point	27–9	13–3	1st	CBI Runner–up
  2024–25	High Point	29–5	14–2	1st
  High Point:		56–14 (.800)	27–5 (.844)

 

1 hour ago, jimsorgi said:

When people ask about the why McDermott had more success at Creighton than Iowa State, I think there's a very valid argument that Huss was a huge part of it. 

I always like to see if the stats back up these little narratives. In this case I’m not seeing. Ppg is pretty similar for McDermont in the years before and after Huss joined. Efficiency is much the same. Maaasybe a slight uptick but I’d have to pull all the numbers to be sure. From just eye balling their kenpom ranks I don’t see much difference.  
 

His two years at high point are impressive. If you want to nab a hot lower major coach, then fine. But I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in the “Offensive genius behind McDermontt “ narrative without more evidence. 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Idk about that... I think entirely depends on match ups.

Just as easy for me to see them losing handily in R1 as making it to a S16. 

Agreed, I think they’ll be a common pick for the s16 just because of their name haha. Seems like I need to look into them more, I know one of their guards is a stud. 

[AH1971]

38 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Yea I have an incredibly hard time believing BS has been contemplating this job for four weeks to just now decide he’s out. My completely uninformed guess is we made an offer, he said no within a week or less and we’ve been working others since. It’s been fun though to get through the work day imagining it’s Stevens lol. 

He hasn't. We were told a month ago that he wasn't candidate. 

[SlammySammy]

2 minutes ago, IU05 said:

Boys boys boys - the only explanation here is that the insiders are having a little fun with us. 
 

We didn’t go from good news yesterday, to “today was a good day” post last night, to “planes meeting in Miami later today” this morning…..all the way to Brownell in that short of timespan. 
 

Hold the line!

I think we are getting out flanked, General

[Hoosierfan2017]

Dolson has had a year to work on this search and the two leading candidates are a guy with one year of D1 experience and a guy with 15 years of mediocre ACC experience. He learned his cooking skills at the Woodson Culinary Institute. 

[Alistair Smash]

2 minutes ago, IU05 said:

Boys boys boys - the only explanation here is that the insiders are having a little fun with us. 
 

If this is the case, this would be worse hazing than my son just got through with his pledgeship at IU!

[Hoosierfanyuh]

Brownell just doesn’t move the needle for Me. He’s done well the past couple years in a a god awful acc. Have to think he would barely be an option if he wasn’t from Indiana. The only advantage i can think of is he probably has a handful of good Indiana contacts. 

[Home Jersey]

Just now, JSHoosier said:

That kind of time should be earned, not just given. Giving a crappy hire more time accomplishes nothing but removing the program further from relevancy.

Giving bad coaches too much time isn't the answer.

Yes I agree. I don't think we're going to hire a crappy coach. 

They will earn their time by not stinking up the joint. Fans will need some level of patience in all likelihood. 

Maybe its a 1 year turnaround like Louisville with Kelsey. If it takes until year 3 to really start rolling, that's fine too. 

You have to assess everything in real time and go from there. I just have a hard time envisioning another 4 year burnout. 

I think that's a good thing.  

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

 

I always like to see if the stats back up these little narratives. In this case I’m not seeing. Ppg is pretty similar for McDermont in the years before and after Huss joined. Efficiency is much the same. Maaasybe a slight uptick but I’d have to pull all the numbers to be sure. From just eye balling their kenpom ranks I don’t see much difference.  
 

His two years at high point are impressive. If you want to nab a hot lower major coach, then fine. But I wouldn’t put a lot of stock in the “Offensive genius behind McDermontt “ narrative without more evidence. 

No one said “genius.” I said he engineered the offense when he was there.

[theriverpilot]

2 minutes ago, Over 100 Games said:

Oh I absolutely would. Like it or not, we’re in the tournament 3 out of the past 4 years, with a second place B1G finish one of those years, after failing to make the tournament for 6 straight years. Not to mention that we’ve recruited a high level (on paper). It took Brownell 8 years to reach the tournament twice, and don’t tell me that Clemson didn’t have the resources over that span with 2 National Championships and CFP appearances.

Brownell’s success came after hiring Matt Bucklin, who he led def scouting. It’s aorth nothing that Bucklin’s scouting / recruiting included the likes of PJ Hall, Chase Hunter, and Ian Schieffelin while at Clemson -> who are the 3 players that have contributed to most of Brownell’s success (which really, is only recent success) in his entire tenure at Clemson. Matt Bucklin is now an assistant for Byington, and was with Byington at JMU when, you guessed it, Byington finally had a successful year and made the tournament.

Would love to see Brownell / Clemson after these players leave, and would love to see Byington / Vanderbilt without Matt Bucklin.

Brownell has had little career success at the power 4, and most of his success can be attributed to a single period of time with a single person changing on staff. Getting rid of Woodson for him is an absolute joke of an idea.

 

Can we just meet on common ground and agree we don't want Woodson OR Brownell?

[Ghost of Rick Majerus]

Brownell is not at the top of my list by any means, but I don't understand the hate. 

Clemson isn't an easy place to win and during his time there, he competed against some really good ACC teams. His win percentage at Clemson is similar to that of Rick Barnes when he was there and Brownell has been there much longer. 

He is a good coach, you can't take that away from him and that is what we have sorely missed here the last 4 years. 

[JSHoosier]

16 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I dunno, depends a lot on if Brownell can recruit at the level necessary here, I expect NIL to assist there. While I would absolutely hate making that hire versus taking a swing on Huss or McCollum I can confidently say Brownell would have won more games and not been blown out by anyone with this roster. Without NIL Woody would have been Kenny Payne. He’s a terrible basketball coach. Brownell is not. That’s the only thing keeping me off the ledge if that’s where this goes. 

Brownell has won 53% of his conference games the last 15 years and made the tournament a whole 4 times. If they hire him then just shutdown the program and divert the funds to football and WBB.

[lillurk]

23 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

OK now I'm a little worried about Brownell

I think Dolson is smarter than that — Brownell is notoriously on and off the hot seat at Clemson all the time. McCollum makes lots of sense to me for all the reasons we’ve discussed as nauseum.

[IUBtown]

35 minutes ago, HoosierPapi4 said:

@IsaacTor bout time for you to drop in here

Nvm

[Over 100 Games]

1 minute ago, theriverpilot said:

Can we just meet on common ground and agree we don't want Woodson OR Brownell?

Deal. 

[EasyEJay]

7 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

Lots of "ifs" there. And I still give you that Woody: 

1.) Missed NCAA tournament last year. 

2.) Finished 9th place in the B1G with Top 10 NIL money from IU boosters (which I'm sure Dolson would happily remind the proper people of). Woodson was barely in the top 10 of the B1G.

3.) You're making a lot of future HUGE assumptions here. Winning 2 games in the B1G tournament and then winning 2 in the NCAA tournament. Remember, this is the same coach who couldn't make it past the Round of 32 with both TJD and JHS. 

I agree whole heartily with you! And I see your side of things for sure. I want Woodson gone as much as everything else. Just the eternal pessimist in me at this point could see the waters getting even more muddied and crazier things have happened and IU basketball just seems so freaking cursed from the basketball gods! LOL