General Coach Candidate News

[12345Brad]

3 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

Do not be surprised if OB isn’t in the lineup to go

What now?

[RaceToTheTop]

23 minutes ago, VFury said:

Wade is where Sampson was right before he got to Houston. He paid the price and is atoning for it. But I get it, hiring Wade would mean we wouldn't be able to act like we're above everybody else, and he wins too much.

Wade is still on a show cause until June.  Sampson’s show cause had run out when he became Houston’s coach.

[MrBBall]

1 minute ago, 12345Brad said:

What now?

Rumor was he ditched town for a while. Didn’t tell anyone. Came back late. Won’t start. 

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, MrBBall said:

Rumor was he ditched town for a while. Didn’t tell anyone. Came back late. Won’t start. 

Thanks.  This was covered a couple of days ago by Chris.

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Lost what? 

His winning pct at LSU is literally Cronins at UCLA and that's the only thing going for Mick, which again, is less than uclas all time.  

Anytime Wade has lost a game in the past 5 or 6 years I post that picture in the college basketball thread.  It’s a well known inside joke for longtime posters on this site.  My hatred for Wade as a coach goes back along way on this board and it’s well documented.  I don’t care how much the guy wins I don’t want him anywhere near a program I’m invested in.  There was a time back in his VCU days where I posted on how good of young coach he was going to be and he runs really good stuff.  His personality changed for the worse when he got to LSU and he became someone I didn’t want to root for anymore.   Throw in the arrogance of his strong a…. offers and how slimy he looked during it and after I just want no part of him.   He is a fantastic coach I just think he is a POS trash of a human and don’t want him near Bloomington.   Luckily I don’t have to worry about that 

[OKHOOSIER]

5 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

Cronin is the popular choice of “a lot” of people on this forum. Just read through past pages and you will find them. Even Indy Star’s Doyle is pushing Cronin, the other names you may be right about, but there are people on this forum that have shown support for guys like Brownell and Pitino. I am still hoping for an elite proven coach, but the Cronin talk is very real and I would be very disappointed if that is the direction we go.

Cronin is not the popular choice of a lot of people. I haven't seen anyone actively campaigning to hire Cronin, nobody wants Cronin (I certainly don't), but if we get to the Brownell's or McCollum's just to find someone willing to say yes to our job, we could do worse than a guy who makes the tournament every year and wins 68% of his games.

The fact is, people simply do not like Cronin's personality (which 100% totally get after the last 8 years), and it has nothing to do with his coaching record. If he was likable, he would probably be considered a really nice option and not like 6-10 on the list. 

[RoadRage]

3 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Cronin is not the popular choice of a lot of people. I haven't seen anyone actively campaigning to hire Cronin, nobody wants Cronin (I certainly don't), but if we get to the Brownell's or McCollum's just to find someone willing to say yes to our job, we could do worse than a guy who makes the tournament every year and wins 68% of his games.

The fact is, people simply do not like Cronin's personality (which 100% totally get after the last 8 years), and it has nothing to do with his coaching record. If he was likable, he would probably be considered a really nice option and not like 6-10 on the list. 

I am not going to argue about the amount of people, but there are plenty of posts supporting him, hard to miss them actually?

[IUBtown]

19 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

Cronin seems like the emergency parachute option.  I know some highly disagree though. 

His buyout is the issue.  I wouldn't be so against him if it was less than that.  But you don't spend 10mil on safe then another 5/year.  That's not safe money. 

[IUHAHN81]

Dolsons getting fancy...

 

[VFury]

14 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Anytime Wade has lost a game in the past 5 or 6 years I post that picture in the college basketball thread.  It’s a well known inside joke for longtime posters on this site.  My hatred for Wade as a coach goes back along way on this board and it’s well documented.  I don’t care how much the guy wins I don’t want him anywhere near a program I’m invested in.  There was a time back in his VCU days where I posted on how good of young coach he was going to be and he runs really good stuff.  His personality changed for the worse when he got to LSU and he became someone I didn’t want to root for anymore.   Throw in the arrogance of his strong a…. offers and how slimy he looked during it and after I just want no part of him.   He is a fantastic coach I just think he is a POS trash of a human and don’t want him near Bloomington.   Luckily I don’t have to worry about that 

Do you know him personally? I don't get hating him this much.

[Asha’man]

I think the May extension sheds some light on the search imo. I don’t think May signs his “low ball” extension if IU was after him. I think he would have got a lot more money if he could leverage an IU offer. 

Which tells me that Dolson either has his guy or he is still in discussions with guys he rates above May. Who those coaches are, I’m unsure. But there are many coaches I’d rather have before going to May, if the money was available for buyouts. Sounds like we have money to spend so….

May also took a $1 mil raise, still less than Archie at IU 8 years ago. And the buyout is still low at $7.5 mil. So he says he is staying at Michigan because he doesn’t have an IU offer. He also couldn’t leverage IU interest bc Dolson isn’t there yet and possibly won’t be. But if plans fall through May has a manageable buyout for IU to get him if their top options do not pan out. 
 

I don’t believe all the top tier options have been exhausted yet. In Dolson I trust and I think IU will be in good hands moving forward with whoever they hire because it will not be someone like Brownell or McCollom. It will be with someone who has a track record of success. 

[JaybobHoosier]

With Cronin, he’s not a bad option, but he limits the ceiling this program can take IMO. We will consistently make the tournament, which is a huge improvement over where we are at now, but won’t have a lot of success in it. 
 

My worry with Cronin is we will be with him, most likely, for the next 15ish years and will have a couple Sweet 16s. Not enough to get him fired, so it all just depends on what Dolson wants and who is willing to take the job. 

[AZ Hoosier]

58 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

And 5 inches is HUGE……  ;)

that's not what she said

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, VFury said:

Do you know him personally? I don't get hating him this much.

Nope.   do people that hate Tom Brady know him personally?   It’s not that deep.   I don’t like him therefore I don’t want him coaching the team I’m invested in 

[Herotime]

I’d like to know why you heathens are not at church on this beautiful, Sunday morning. And if you ARE— why you’re on this board instead of listening to your preacher! :)

[VFury]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Nope.   do people that hate Tom Brady know him personally?   It’s not that deep.   I don’t like him therefore I don’t want him coaching the team I’m invested in 

People hate Tom Brady cause he won a lot. You seem to hate Wade on a personal level, mentioning his personality. That's why I ask. To each their own, I just don't get it

[OKHOOSIER]

1 minute ago, RoadRage said:

I am not going to argue about the amount of people, but there are plenty of posts supporting him, hard to miss them actually?

I posted some of them, but my point was no one was arguing Cronin as popular choice, at least I didn't see that. I definitely wasn't, just that he was a decent option if we get that far down ballot and arguments against him were either personality based or that he had made too many tournaments without enough final fours which are both absurd given the state of our program (but as I said, i get the personality thing).

I do understand why someone would want a McCollum type over him (I certainly could be talked into it), but I do not think Dolson takes a risk like that. Cronin simply isn't risky if we cannot get someone at the top of the list. He's a safe and milquetoast option to get us back relevant. 

Anywho, heres hoping he is never actually considered and we do not get to that pool of candidates. Cheers.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

He wins at Iowa State, big... in a good conference... 

Cronin sort does ok at UCLA? In an average B1G and bad P12... and was 3-6 in the tourney at Cinci? 

Age? Everything? 

Otz is 47 and Cronin is 53. The age gap isn’t huge. Otz is 4-5 in the NCAA tournament while Cronin is 15-14, including 8-3 at UCLA. Otz is winning 68.9% of his games and 57.1% of his conference games and ISU while Cronin is winning 68.7% and 69% of his conference games.

How does this equal Otz “winning big” but Cronin “sorta doing ok”? 

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, VFury said:

People hate Tom Brady cause he won a lot. You seem to hate Wade on a personal level, mentioning his personality. That's why I ask. To each their own, I just don't get it

Yeah I follow college basketball closely.  I pay attention to the whole sport not just IU so I watched him coach at VCU when he was a young coach.  As I said watching him turn into a villain in real time was something that turned me away from being a fan of his.   Nothing to get.  I once liked him as a coach and now I don’t 

[Asha’man]

2 minutes ago, VFury said:

People hate Tom Brady cause he won a lot. You seem to hate Wade on a personal level, mentioning his personality. That's why I ask. To each their own, I just don't get it

I’d take Wade. I’d take Sampson too. The rule Wade broke was actually illegal for the NCAA to even have in the first place. I actually like his cockiness and it’s needed at a place like IU imo. We can’t have some meek coach. We need someone who has a personality big enough for the job. This isn’t just an X’s and O’s job. It will take someone with a personality big enough to handle it all. Think Bruce Pearl, Wade, Oats, Stevens etc.