General Coach Candidate News

[Dave from Dayton]

15 minutes ago, Papacap said:

Ah, trolls getting all butthurt. If you think this is a cult, why are you here? No one needs a  white knight troll. And Scotty went to another board, lied his @$$ off for brownie points, got caught and is acting like the hero. GTFO with that crap. 

One reason that I left another site and came here was that there was a minimum of hate and personal attacks. 

Let's all take a break from personal attacks.

To disagree with the post is cool.

 

 

[JaybobHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

Message board rumors and conjecture don't have anything to do with the success of the program.

We get it, you don't like IU fans and believe the fans are the problem narrative.  This is a pretty common view of the burners and the current staff.

The whole “fans are the problem” argument is laughable and a cop-out. I will die on this mountain because if fans are a problem, then UK, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCONN, and a few others would be in the same situation as we are. 
 

It all lies at the administrations feet for bad hires, or coaches just not adapting to the evolution of the game. Woodson was an awful hire, and the fans have nothing to do with that failure. Archie was a failure but was not a terrible hire. 
 

The failures of of the last two coaches have nothing to do with the fans. It’s laughable to suggest fans are the problem.

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, 5fouls said:

So, we're at the point where we accept a slightly better version of mediocrity?

That’s up to each person as to what they feel is acceptable or not.  For you sounds like you won’t accept a coach like Cronin.   For others they might be ok with what he has done elsewhere and bring stability to a program that hasn’t competed consistently at the top of the B1G for over a decade 

[AKHoosier]

8 hours ago, IsaacTor said:

Just had a long sit down with a buddy getting a full update. As of now the plan is to have brad sign the contract on March 2nd. He wants to essentially finish his season as a GM with the Celtics which mainly ends in March 1st as a GM. The verbal agreement still stands but he does not want any announcement until after that point. So the signing Monday won't occur but this is all but locked down. Contract is 6 years 67 million and brad has an option to extend to 10 years after year 3. Includes promises towards IU funded NIL and assistant pools but I don't know the value behinds those numbers. 

Just be patient. Hate me because of Goodman's tweet but there is a reason for all this optimism and it's that Brad still is a verbal agreement with IU and both IU and Stevens camp agree to all contract terms. 

 

No way IU is willing to spend $11M/yr on a basketball coach. It just doesn't sound like IU to me.

Thanks for the update though. I will choose to believe it's Brad until someone else is announced. 

[5fouls]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

That’s up to each person as to what they feel is acceptable or not.  

Agreed.  I think we can also agree that discussion and debate is the purpose of a message board.  If we all thought the exact same way, it would be kind of boring.  

[Home Jersey]

3 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

So, we're at the point where we accept a slightly better version of mediocrity?  I get it that Stevens said no.  I get it that May might say no.  But, look for the potential home runs from the other names on the list.  Cronin has already proven over the course of 21 years to NOT be a home run.

Sometimes you're better off getting on base than swinging and missing. 

We're down 0-2 on the last two hires... 3 strikes, you're out. 

Hire a consistent winner and give yourself a shot, IMO. 

Swing for the fences when we're coming from a position of strength.

NIL is opening the door for us to have a 1 year turnaround with a proven winner coach.

I'd like to roll with that and see what they can do with IU's resources. There is upside there, why write them off entirely?

Flaming out on 3rd straight hire could be the nail in the coffin.

I'd take Cronin over guys like Calhoun or Bucky McMillan right now 100x over. 

I'd have to think hard about him vs. McCollum if it came down to that (not that we'll ever know). 

If you think Cronin is mediocre you're not looking hard enough at the rest of the CBB landscape. 

[Hippopotamo]

28 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

The program you are invested in hired a coach with 0 college basketball coaching experience the last time.  Are there better options than Cronin? Yep.  All day everyday.   Would he be an upgrade for a program with 1 winning conference record in the last 9 years? Yep.  All day everyday.  

My middle school basketball coach would be an upgrade. That doesn’t mean Cronin is worth getting excited about. 

[OKHOOSIER]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

That’s up to each person as to what they feel is acceptable or not.  For you sounds like you won’t accept a coach like Cronin.   For others they might be ok with what he has done elsewhere and bring stability to a program that hasn’t competed consistently at the top of the B1G for over a decade 

This 100%.
 

I don’t want Cronin over some other options, but we are in zero position to turn up our noses at a guy who has made the tournament 14/15 seasons (counting Covid and this season) and is 230 games over .500 as a head coach and 40 over .500 in the B1G. Cronin isn’t remotely mediocre. We need stability and culture of winning, he would bring that. 

[Juwan Moye]

14 minutes ago, Demo said:

Weird as it sounds given the million page firing thread, but I’m not sure everyone has an appropriate appreciation for just how badly Woody and Archie have done. A guy like Cronin or someone at a comparable level with the resources here would never, ever, miss the tournament. In a bad year they’re top 1/2 of the conference. That is minimum expectation and there are so many guys who could get that done. I honest to God don’t know who they could reasonably consider who’s not an upgrade. 

That’s where I’m at with Cronin. Yes, there are more exciting candidates but he’d be someone that basically guarantees we’re in the tourney every year, consistently make sweet 16s, and may occasionally make a real run.

We’d all be VERY happy if his first 5 years at IU looked like his first 5 at UCLA.

[Pagoda]

11 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

The whole “fans are the problem” argument is laughable and a cop-out. I will die on this mountain because if fans are a problem, then UK, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCONN, and a few others would be in the same situation as we are. 

It all lies at the administrations feet for bad hires, or coaches just not adapting to the evolution of the game. Woodson was an awful hire, and the fans have nothing to do with that failure. Archie was a failure but was not a terrible hire. 

The failures of of the last two coaches have nothing to do with the fans. It’s laughable to suggest fans are the problem.

100%.  And not only are the fans not the problem, they are our biggest asset and one of the only "elite" or "blueblood" things we have left.  We are still a top-5 or 10 program in revenue and valuation, which is all down the fans somehow spending money on our crap teams.  And then there is NIL, which is very important, and that comes from... fans.  With NIL we have two notable fans that give a lot, but there is an exceptional amount of giving from a lot of people.

And you're also right that the admin and who they hire are responsible for the bad results. 

[Juwan Moye]

14 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

So, we're at the point where we accept a slightly better version of mediocrity?  I get it that Stevens said no.  I get it that May might say no.  But, look for the potential home runs from the other names on the list.  Cronin has already proven over the course of 21 years to NOT be a home run.

Cronin is objectively a top-20 coach in the sport. Not sure what expectations are here. The only other realistic candidates who seem to be in that vein are Beard. May is still not quite there but may be in the near future.

[Uspshoosier]

4 minutes ago, Hippopotamo said:

My middle school basketball coach would be an upgrade. That doesn’t mean Cronin is worth getting excited about. 

For some people he isn’t worth getting excited about but for others he might 

[MrBBall]

Just now, Juwan Moye said:

Cronin is objectively a top-20 coach in the sport. Not sure what expectations are here. The only other realistic candidates who seem to be in that vein are Beard. May is still not quite there but may be in the near future.

If May takes this team to a protected top 4 seed, he is absolutely a top 20 coach. 

[tyappleg]

Turns out Isaac did end up being a legend, just for different reasons than originally thought.  

Surprised at some of the visceral reactions this morning, considering it seems most people here aren't buying what Isaac and GP are selling anymore.  

[Juwan Moye]

6 minutes ago, normandale97 said:

If we get a coach with a near 70% win percentage that makes the tournament every year, I'll be satisfied. I don't know what people want? 

Cronin has a 70% win percentage in conference play as well since he took over at UCLA. People trying to knock the guy on his coaching chops are absurd.

[HoosierHoopster]

42 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

I will do you all a favor a leave this board 

This board is like a cult and the insiders are Jim Jones and and the others are the followers. If you question the leaders then the followers jump anyone who question the cult 

Have fun in fantasy land

I don’t agree with, but like the way you put this post together, lol.

However, no, it’s not that the Board, like a cult, jumps anyone who questions the “insiders,” it’s not being big on attacking the regular posters here who some refer to as insiders, Chris etc.

I have personally repeatedly said the BS talk is just that, BS, imo, that I can’t wait for the endless fantasy that is the BS following to die out so we can see who really is in the running, again imo. That’s worlds different than castigating guys who post here regularly and are either either just sharing info they believe or are trying to put 2 and 2 together.
End of the day it’s all speculation, no one here actually “knows,” and it should be read in fun or just interest. You know, it’s just a message board. 
And this thread is now hysterical, lol

[Unexpectedflash]

1 minute ago, Juwan Moye said:

Cronin has a 70% win percentage in conference play as well since he took over at UCLA. People trying to knock the guy on his coaching chops are absurd.

Seen someone knocking his post season success but he’s made a sweet 16 and final 4 three out of the last 4 years. Anything can happen in a single elimination tourney but those are pretty good results to me

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, MrBBall said:

If May takes this team to a protected top 4 seed, he is absolutely a top 20 coach. 

I don't care for list-style rankings of coaches... I think of them in tiers for the most part. 

Idk where Dusty ranks, but I know hiring him would be the coup of the century in the B10 if they somehow pull it off

[5fouls]

6 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Sometimes you're better off getting on base than swinging and missing. 

We're down 0-2 on the last two hires... 3 strikes, you're out. 

Hire a consistent winner and give yourself a shot, IMO. 

Swing for the fences when we're coming from a position of strength.

NIL is opening the door for us to have a 1 year turnaround with a proven winner coach.

I'd like to roll with that and see what they can do with IU's resources. There is upside there, why write them off entirely?

Flaming out on 3rd straight hire could be the nail in the coffin.

I'd take Cronin over guys like Calhoun or Bucky McMillan right now 100x over. 

I'd have to think hard about him vs. McCollum if it came down to that (not that we'll ever know). 

If you think Cronin is mediocre you're not looking hard enough at the rest of the CBB landscape. 

Play it safe now, regret it later.

The upside with McCollum is too good to ignore.  I wanted Stevens and I'll concede the idea of May over McCollum, but I can't go beyond that.  We're Portland at that point.

 

[HoosierHoopster]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

For some people he isn’t worth getting excited about but for others he might 

Cronin, or his middle school coach?