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9 hours ago, go iu bb said:

Yes, what IU needs after the last 2 hires is a known not a gamble.

Everybody needs that, tbf. Being desperate doesn’t confer any special status. We’re in this position because of past failures, and we’ll get what we get. Thank god for NIL or this job would be nearly untouchable coming off the Archie/Woodson era with their roster building.  
 

I hope we get somebody good, but honestly we’re so backwards we don’t deserve it. Woody was cooked last year. May was literally right there, ours for the taking, last year. But the “everybody gets 4 yr / he’s an alum” crowd—both in the administration and fan base—led to a situation where IU has no agency to do the right thing and instead puts us in this position to feel like we have to pull off the impossible to salvage the program.  

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12 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Everybody needs that, tbf. Being desperate doesn’t confer any special status. We’re in this position because of past failures, and we’ll get what we get. Thank god for NIL or this job would be nearly untouchable coming off the Archie/Woodson era with their roster building.  
 

I hope we get somebody good, but honestly we’re so backwards we don’t deserve it. Woody was cooked last year. May was literally right there, ours for the taking, last year. But the “everybody gets 4 yr / he’s an alum” crowd—both in the administration and fan base—led to a situation where IU has no agency to do the right thing and instead puts us in this position to feel like we have to pull off the impossible to salvage the program.  

If Brad passes and Dusty does too, putting Mike Woodson ahead of the program last year when we could have got Dusty will look really, really bad.  You might say poor “optics.”

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2 hours ago, 5fouls said:

McDermott (60):  D1 and D2 combined.  4 Sweet 16's and beyond with a peak of a single Elite 8.  Defined as 'proven'

McCollum (43): D1 and D2 combined.  8 Sweet 16's and beyond with a peak of 4 National Championships.  Implied to be 'unproven'.

I would disagree with that logic.

McDermott (60):  D1.  3 Sweet 16's and beyond with a peak of a single Elite 8. Has only finished below 4th in the Big East twice in 10 years.

McCollum (43): D1. 23 games coached at a non power 5 D1 school.

 

I get the argument for McCollum over a guy like McDermott and I'm not against McCollum. What he has done at the D2 level is incredible.  He still has only coached 23 games of non power 5 basketball at the D1 level.  Trying to frame D2 and D1 success as equal is disingenuous and I would disagree with that logic. 

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2 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Not sure why anyone would even consider McDermott.  He was absolutely horrible at ISU.  Only does well small schools.  Reminds me of Alford.

Because he is a really good coach that has proven he can coach at the Power 4 level.   You probably won’t have to worry about it though because history tells you sitting Power 4 coaches don’t make lateral moves to other Power 4 teams during coaching searches.   Usually teams have to go down a level or levels to get their coach 

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5 minutes ago, jeffincol said:

I'm trying to make sense of this, but Ned Pfau's plane N53HA is on the move again this morning.

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Why Philadelphia?

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7 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Not sure why anyone would even consider McDermott.  He was absolutely horrible at ISU.  Only does well small schools.  Reminds me of Alford.

While his tenure at ISU should be held against him.  Creighton has been a power 5 school for 11 years and he's finished worse than 4th only 2 of those years (years 2&3 of joining the conference). Creighton is not a small basketball school.  As someone pointed out, they were 6th in attendance last year per game. (Ahead of Indiana). 

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6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Because he is a really good coach that has proven he can coach at the Power 4 level.   You probably won’t have to worry about it though because history tells you sitting Power 4 coaches don’t make lateral moves to other Power 4 teams during coaching searches.   Usually teams have to go down a level or levels to get their coach 

McDermott is 60 and has a building named after him at Creighton, as well. Should probably cross him off the list.

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4 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

If Brad passes and Dusty does too, putting Mike Woodson ahead of the program last year when we could have got Dusty will look really, really bad.  You might say poor “optics.”

Here’s the problem with May now: 
 

He is doing great. UM wants to redo his contract, no doubt in part because IU has an opening. May and his agent probably realize they are #2 on IUs list at best. They also know that the minute somebody else takes the IU job his leverage on this new deal with UM decreases quite a bit. 
 

So Mays agent is going to be pushing hard for them to get this new deal done before the IU job is filled. I’m sure he’d like to wait and see if the IU job slips to him, but he also risks quite a bit of leverage (ie money) if he doesn’t hammer it out before the end of the season and IU announces Stevens or whomever.   
 

Just a stone cold guess, but I would say there’s only a 50% chance Mays agent doesn’t get this new deal done—thus taking him off the market—before IU is ready to make a hire. 

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43 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

If McDermott takes the job he would be leaving a place that averages more fans at their home games then IU does.  
 

Creighton is 6th in attendance while IU was 7th 

Yup. There still seems to be this perception that it’s not a big-time job. It’s a BIG-TIME JOB. If McDermott were to leave for any reason they would have a great list of candidates. 

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1 hour ago, Juwan Moye said:

To the point:

Yes, Cignetti was a great hire and showed some coaches can make the leap from lower level competition to higher level competition. But this isn’t definitive and is not indicative of how we should pursue our basketball hire.

The football program has always been a laughing stock whereas, at least historically, the basketball program is top tier. This is why the approach should be different and IU should start at the absolutely highest level when considering candidates.

Cignetti was a P5 assistant coach for many years, including for Nick Saban at Alabama!

McCollum has never been a division one assistant coach. If McCollum had been a multi year assistant coach for Coach K, then this would be a completely different discussion and he would be a great candidate.

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