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[IUHoosierJoe 1,974]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I mean, that just isn’t true at all, lol. He started out at USI. D2 runner up in year 2. D2 champions in year 3.  For all the talk about how Dusty “built a program out of nothing, Milwaukee had zero tournament appearances in school history before Pearl took over. Goes 11-5 in the conference his first year ( better than any of Dusty’s first four seasons ). Makes the tournament his second season. Wins his conference in years 3 and 4. Goes to the sweet 16 in year 4. 

Follows that up by killing it immediately at Tennessee. 12-4 in the SEC in year 1. Sweet 16 in year 2. 31 wins in year 3 and another sweet 16. 3 sweet 16s in his first 5 years, an elite 8 and 6 straight tournament appearances. 

There is absolutely zero comparison between Peal and May. Pearl has won and won big everywhere he’s been for 25+ years. 

Nothing beyond the Sweet 16 until year 5 at his P5 stops is “killing it?”  Not for this fan base.  Don’t get me wrong, I’d be OK with Pearl at this point, but he didn’t get deep in the tourney any faster than Dusty did at a low major.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,974]

2 minutes ago, kottke said:

He had a winning record in season one everywhere he has been but Auburn.

Well, Indiana has a winning record right now, if that’s your bar for what was termed in the post I responded to as “winning immediately.”  I mean, May has never had a losing season at a school that had almost all losing seasons before he got there.  I’d take both over what we have, and there’s pluses and minuses to both.

[Demo 22,135]

1 minute ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Nothing beyond the Sweet 16 until year 5 at his P5 stops is “killing it?”  Not for this fan base.  Don’t get me wrong, I’d be OK with Pearl at this point, but he didn’t get deep in the tourney any faster than Dusty did at a low major.

I imagine he’d jumpstart the program in a big way, that’s what he does, but I’m not sure I’m ready to give a Bill Self contract to a guy who’s not Bill Self and have to commit to his kid at the same time. But maybe the kid wreaks of leadership and you have a ready-made succession plan. We’re not figuring that one out around here. 

[Scotty R 3,170]

Just now, Demo said:

I imagine he’d jumpstart the program in a big way, that’s what he does, but I’m not sure I’m ready to give a Bill Self contract to a guy who’s not Bill Self and have to commit to his kid at the same time. But maybe the kid wreaks of leadership and you have a ready-made succession plan. We’re not figuring that one out around here. 

Everybody talks about Pearl's son being the next coach but what info is there that would be the case. Maybe he becomes Auburn's coach if Bruce leaves

[HoosierHoopster 7,752]

I’m wondering if there are some other possible candidates out there that the U may be looking at (look at down the road) that are strong, legit candidates but that we’re overlooking, I mean like a Pasternack, Hell of a job at Santa Barbara, 27 W’s last season was most ever there, or Jeff Linder, Wyoming after Northern Colo. - his rebuild track record looks good. 

[Hornsby 3,661]

The best thing about quinn bringing Woodson back is we get another year of fun filled press conferences full of excuses.

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[HoosierTrav 8,198]

We have to at least call Oats and see if there is any interest. I’m telling you. He’s the best fit for IU. Pearl would win. May could possibly win. I’m 50/50… Oats would be a legend here immediately. 

[Scotty R 3,170]

1 minute ago, HoosierTrav said:

We have to at least call Oats and see if there is any interest. I’m telling you. He’s the best fit for IU. Pearl would win. May could possibly win. I’m 50/50… Oats would be a legend here immediately. 

This year his offense is 1st but the defense is 312 and just gave up 117 to UK

[Hoosierfan2017 24,168]

17 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Nothing beyond the Sweet 16 until year 5 at his P5 stops is “killing it?”  Not for this fan base.  Don’t get me wrong, I’d be OK with Pearl at this point, but he didn’t get deep in the tourney any faster than Dusty did at a low major.

Now you’re moving the goal posts because your initial take was dead wrong. Compared to what IU has done? Hell yeah it’s killing it. We’ve gone to 4 sweet 16s in the past 30 years. And there’s still zero comparison to Dusty May. He’s gone to 1 tournament in his life. 

You really going to sit there and say IU fans wouldn’t consider a coach to be killing it if he came to IU and went:

22-8; 12-4 (round of 32) 

24-11; 10-6 (sweet 16) 

31-5; 14-2 (sweet 16) 

21-13; 10-6 (round of 64)

28-9; 11-5 (elite 8)

in his first 5 seasons? Let’s be for real here. 

[IUHoosierJoe 1,974]

1 minute ago, HoosierTrav said:

We have to at least call Oats and see if there is any interest. I’m telling you. He’s the best fit for IU. Pearl would win. May could possibly win. I’m 50/50… Oats would be a legend here immediately. 

Love Oates.  No idea if there would be any chance to get him here.  I would think we would have tried before we hired Woodson.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,974]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Now you’re moving the goal posts because your initial take was dead wrong. Compared to what IU has done? Hell yeah it’s killing it. We’ve gone to 4 sweet 16s in the past 30 years. And there’s still zero comparison to Dusty May. He’s gone to 1 tournament in his life. 

You really going to sit there and say IU fans wouldn’t consider a coach to be killing it if he came to IU and went:

22-8; 12-4 (round of 32) 

24-11; 10-6 (sweet 16) 

31-5; 14-2 (sweet 16) 

21-13; 10-6 (round of 64)

28-9; 11-5 (elite 8)

in his first 5 seasons? Let’s be for real here. 

I’m not the one moving the goal posts.  You said “win immediately” and now you’ve changed it to “first five years.”  I have no doubt Pearl would have it humming after five years.

[AH1971 2,451]

8 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

I’m not the one moving the goal posts.  You said “win immediately” and now you’ve changed it to “first five years.”  I have no doubt Pearl would have it humming after five years.

It wouldn’t have taken 3 years at Auburn if the portal existed when he initially took the job. Might want to look at Auburn basketball the 15 years prior to Pearl being hired.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,168]

26 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

I’m not the one moving the goal posts.  You said “win immediately” and now you’ve changed it to “first five years.”  I have no doubt Pearl would have it humming after five years.

What? You’re the one who brought up “first five years” when you said “Nothing beyond the Sweet 16 until year 5 at his P5 stops is “killing it?” after I demonstrated that he won immediately at USI, Milwaukee, and Tennessee. The only school he didn’t win immediately at was auburn, and they’re a terrible basketball school historically. 8 appearances in school history before Pearl came. 

This is what he did at his first 3 stops in his first two seasons (is that immediate enough for you?) 

USI:

      Year 1: 22-7, 14-4, D2 regional third place

      Year 2: 28-4, 16-2, D2 runner up 

Milwaukee:

       Year 1: 16-13, 11-5

       Year 2: 24-8, 13-3, first tournament   appearance in school history

Tennessee:

       Year 1: 22-8, 12-4, round of 32 

       Year 2: 24-11, 10-6, sweet 16

In his third season at these schools, he (a) won a D2 national championship; (b) won his school’s first Horizon League regular season title; and (c) went 31-5, won the SEC, and made the sweet 16. IU hasn’t won 31 games in a season since 1993.  

If folks want to take a risk on a mid-major guy at a time when the program is on life support, that’s their prerogative. I’m going with Bruce Pearl every day of the week. 7-8 years of Bruce Pearl at IU with NIL and the transfer portal would have IU exactly where the fanbase wants it to be. 

[NashvilleHoosier 3,859]

18 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

I’m not the one moving the goal posts.  You said “win immediately” and now you’ve changed it to “first five years.”  I have no doubt Pearl would have it humming after five years.

He provided the evidence that he’s won immediately nearly everywhere. Your counter that we wouldn’t be happy that it took him 5 years to get past the S16 is pretty short-sighted. His teams finished 1st in the SEC East 3 of those years, he had UT consistently ranked in the top 25 and as high as #1. You can find several huge games he won during those seasons. 2 of his tourney losses in those 5 years were by 1 point. And most importantly he was in the tourney ALL FIVE years. He had them in the mix every year and gave his teams a chance to go deep all of those seasons. He BOTH won immediately AND we would be absolutely thrilled if he came here and gave us that in the first 5 years. 

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47 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Now you’re moving the goal posts because your initial take was dead wrong. Compared to what IU has done? Hell yeah it’s killing it. We’ve gone to 4 sweet 16s in the past 30 years. And there’s still zero comparison to Dusty May. He’s gone to 1 tournament in his life. 

You really going to sit there and say IU fans wouldn’t consider a coach to be killing it if he came to IU and went:

22-8; 12-4 (round of 32) 

24-11; 10-6 (sweet 16) 

31-5; 14-2 (sweet 16) 

21-13; 10-6 (round of 64)

28-9; 11-5 (elite 8)

in his first 5 seasons? Let’s be for real here. 

On top of getting to the tournament every year and 3 seasons of at least getting to the S16, there are also 3 seasons with single digit losses. Those have been few and far between for IU the last 20 or 30 years. the last was in '16 under Crean.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,974]

23 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

He provided the evidence that he’s won immediately nearly everywhere. Your counter that we wouldn’t be happy that it took him 5 years to get past the S16 is pretty short-sighted. His teams finished 1st in the SEC East 3 of those years, he had UT consistently ranked in the top 25 and as high as #1. You can find several huge games he won during those seasons. 2 of his tourney losses in those 5 years were by 1 point. And most importantly he was in the tourney ALL FIVE years. He had them in the mix every year and gave his teams a chance to go deep all of those seasons. He BOTH won immediately AND we would be absolutely thrilled if he came here and gave us that in the first 5 years. 

Ok.  I get that you guys love to argue.  I said I’d take either Pearl or May.  Pluses and minuses to both, I said.  But I still wish you guys that know the future with such certainty would share the Power Ball numbers with me sometime.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,168]

6 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

On top of getting to the tournament every year and 3 seasons of at least getting to the S16, there are also 3 seasons with single digit losses. Those have been few and far between for IU the last 20 or 30 years. the last was in '16 under Crean.

He also had a winning conference record in each of his first 18 seasons before going 8-8 in his last year at Tennessee. In 29 years as a head coach, he’s only had 4 losing conference records. 3 of those were his first three years at Auburn. 

Advancing in the tournament is important obviously, but it’s just one part of being a successful program. 

[lillurk 4,681]

52 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

This year his offense is 1st but the defense is 312 and just gave up 117 to UK

The defense is not 312th except in points per game, unadjusted for pace and strength of opponent etc, When you play fast you necessarily give up more points in a game of the same length.

Per Kenpom, they’re 97th per possession, which is 9 spots better than IU. Not good but not among the bottom ~10% of D1 either.

[Scotty R 3,170]

5 minutes ago, lillurk said:

The defense is not 312th except in points per game, unadjusted for pace and strength of opponent etc, When you play fast you necessarily give up more points in a game of the same length.

Per Kenpom, they’re 97th per possession, which is 9 spots better than IU. Not good but not among the bottom ~10% of D1 either.

Well to me the ppg is the most important thing. I couldn't care less about some of these made up advanced metrics crap.

[Hoosierfan2017 24,168]

6 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Ok.  I get that you guys love to argue.  I said I’d take either Pearl or May.  Pluses and minuses to both, I said.  But I still wish you guys that know the future with such certainty would share the Power Ball numbers with me sometime.

Winners win. The best predictor of future success is past results. Bruce Pearl is a winner. He’s coached 29 seasons. Won 72% of his games during that span. He’s coached at four schools and won all at four of them, leveling up in difficulty as he’s advanced. D2 national championship at USI, and at least 1 sweet 16 appearance at each of his other three schools.  

Nothing in life is guaranteed. But Bruce Pearl succeeding at IU is as close to a guarantee as you can get when picking a coach. If he can’t win at IU when he’s won everywhere else, we’d really need to question if anyone can.