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Just now, HoosierTrav said:

If it’s Woodson, I think we should wait to see what kind of staff he can put together, before we get our pitchforks out. Juwan Howard had zero head coaching experience and zero experience recruiting. He’s dominating right now. Woodson is highly respected amongst players and coaches in the NBA. If he can put together a high powered staff, I can absolutely see how young talent would want to come play for Woody. At this point, how much worse can it get than Archie? Bring on Woody. If he doesn’t work out, we can put the whole “IU needs an IU guy” theory to rest, for good. 

Juwan is also only 48. Woodson is 63 coaching one of the least entertaining NBA teams in the league currently. Howard has fresher perspective. 

We should also note Michigan's roster was already in good place from John's recruiting and Saddie's recruiting. He didn't start with nothing. 

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9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan222 said:

In this age, having the strongest meme game is the key to success... Woodson is one of the best in that regard!

Crean would have 5 banners if this was true.

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I would just like to state that Archie Miller ran a very good program here at Indiana, outside of winning of course.
We didn't have players running over each other, your start PG getting arrested during Little 500, grade issues. 
Thanks, Arch! 

Well winning is at the top of the priority list otherwise there's no point. And he was astronomically bad at that portion

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Just now, ap2345 said:

Why because a school employee needs a college degree? It’s not bizarre at all.

The assistant coach is not a faculty member. I would speculate that over half of IU employees do not have degree or hold a position that does not require their degree.

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5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

I get the feeling someone in the AD is dropping some food coloring in the toilet tank. 

Find the leak? 

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5 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Why because a school employee needs a college degree? It’s not bizarre at all.

Most coaching positions require bachelors and master's degrees. Now.. if you're an alum of the school things may be different. 

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So Dolson has made it clear that he wants an NBA-style offense ...... is that because he thinks it's the best way to lure top talent or because "modern" offense is the best way to win games at the college level? 

I realize it could very well be both, but the difference really does speak to Dolson's vision for the program ----- is IU a "destination school" for the 4 and 5 stars (if so we know who we'll be competing with) or is IU a place where kids can commit for 4 years and win that doesn't necessarily require the top talent?

Putting it more succinctly are we:

1) Hoping we can get a coach who can consistently recruit NBA talent

2) Hoping we can get a coach who can develop kids and ultimately win at the college level with lesser talent (not necessarily future NBA players) but kids who play hard and play with a high basketball IQ on both ends of the floor?

I have no concern with Woodson as a candidate overall, except I believe that puts Dolson's vision firmly in the "1" camp ----- and if we're trying to be Kentucky or Duke while running a clean program I say good luck. I think the Dolson thesis may be mistaken if that's the case. Hope to be wrong if that's the direction we go and certainly am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Moye > Boozer
sorry mixed up my "A" and "1"s!

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Just now, Treesh said:

Juwan is also only 48. Woodson is 63 coaching one of the least entertaining NBA teams in the league currently. Howard has fresher perspective. 

We should also note Michigan's roster was already in good place from John's recruiting and Saddie's recruiting. He didn't start with nothing. 

Woodson isn’t starting from nothing either. If he can convince Duncomb to stay and allows Lander to play a style that suits him (also keep in mind he is YOUNG), then we can have a team that can get to the tournament. Parlay that into recruiting success and we are in business in year 2 or 3. One thing many either refuse to understand or refuse to admit, is that, there aren’t bad coaches in the NBA. Every coach in the NBA is one of the best in the world at their job. It’s why you see such a high fail rate amongst good college coaches who attempt the transition. Woodson being in the NBA for so long, is a testament to his ability as a coach. 

Also, kids don’t give a **** about the coaches age. Woodson gets Jamaal Crawford and Carmelo Anthony on a recruiting call, they’re not gonna care about his age, I promise you that. 

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11 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I would just like to state that Archie Miller ran a very good program here at Indiana, outside of winning of course.

We didn't have players running over each other, your start PG getting arrested during Little 500, grade issues. 

Thanks, Arch! 

He did. He deserves praise for that. 

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If Dolson hires Mike Woodson, I doubt he had to “settle” to do so. If he is impressive in his interview and lays out a good plan for the program, and it convinces Dolson, I’ll be ok with it. Will we absolutely know that? No, but it’s what I’ll choose to believe if that’s what happens. 

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11 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Why because a school employee needs a college degree? It’s not bizarre at all.

He’s not there to teach classes 

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The assistant coach is not a faculty member. I would speculate that over half of IU employees do not have degree or hold a position that does not require their degree.

From my very brief look into this it is apparently a thing. Seems odd to me as well. I guess Shawn Kemp is off the list

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30 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I will say this about Woodson.. If it’s between him and the mid major flavor of the month, I’d go with him. I want us to avoid a mid major guy at all costs. If Woodson would have his teams play an offense that doesn’t make me want to stab my eyes out like Archie’s did then I’d give him a shot.

I agree 100%.  The only option I don't want is the mid major guy with one or maybe two tournament runs.

The more I think about Woodson I’m actually not opposed to it at all.  I just keep thinking about him being able to tell kids “When I coached Carmelo Anthony we did this…” or “When we defended Kevin Durant we would do this…” or “There was that time I had the Knicks in the Conference Semis…”.  He may not be used to the college landscape but he is used to coaching young players and I think he would absolutely clean house in recruiting the Indy area and possibly the whole state. 

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We rioting Scott's office if we hire Woodson? I'll bring the pitchforks. 

They’re not called riots anymore. They’re peaceful protests.


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Just now, Hoosierfan222 said:

He’s not there to teach classes 

Certain schools have rules. UNLV was interested in Jason Kidd during their last coaching opening, but he was no eligible to be hired because he didn’t have a degree. 

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33 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Not that it should matter but don't you have to have a degree to be an assistant? I don't believe any of those players you named have one. But I could be wrong. 

FWIW....Here's the official job description for an Assistant Coach position at IU.

 

 

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Just now, HoosierTrav said:

Woodson isn’t starting from nothing either. If he can convince Duncomb to stay and allows Lander to play a style that suits him (also keep in mind he is YOUNG), then we can have a team that can get to the tournament. Parlay that into recruiting success and we are in business in year 2 or 3. One thing many either refuse to understand or refuse to admit, is that, there aren’t bad coaches in the NBA. Every coach in the NBA is one of the best in the world at their job. It’s why you see such a high fail rate amongst good college coaches who attempt the transition. Woodson being in the NBA for so long, is a testament to his ability as a coach. 

Also, kids don’t give a **** about the coaches age. Woodson gets Jamaal Crawford and Carmelo Anthony on a recruiting call, they’re not gonna care about his age, I promise you that. 

He is sorta starting from nothing. We have about 2 players on the team currently, Franklin and Race. Both are very inconsistent. We have some pups with potential but Michigan had a far better team for Howard than we do for our next coach. 

Woodson being in the NBA for so long is a testament to the fraternity. There's a reason why NBA recycles coaches. 

Kids don't know how good Jamal Crawford or Melo were come on. These kids have social media to stare into. They know the big names. If we can get a coach who says "I coached Tatum" then that's different. 

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3 minutes ago, Evariste Galois said:

The assistant coach is not a faculty member. I would speculate that over half of IU employees do not have degree or hold a position that does not require their degree.

Here are the job requirements for another D1 assistant coaching position. 

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3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan222 said:

He’s not there to teach classes 

It’s the requirement. 

[Trish 14,442]

If we're hiring John or Woodson then we should know that by tomorrow. 

The only candidates still in the tournament that are realistic.. well honestly I don't see Drew or Mussleman being realistic.