General Coach Candidate News

[AKHoosier]

I'm skeptical Mack is actually interested, but yeah I'd take him for sure.  Maybe he's not a fan of the culture at Louisville or something?  It seems like a leap to go from UL to IU, especially when you're doing pretty well and you haven't been there that long.

He'd give us some pretty positive PR and momentum.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

6 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I'm skeptical Mack is actually interested, but yeah I'd take him for sure.  Maybe he's not a fan of the culture at Louisville or something?  It seems like a leap to go from UL to IU, especially when you're doing pretty well and you haven't been there that long.

He'd give us some pretty positive PR and momentum.

I'd say with the penalties that could still come... If he's reached out to us.. he knows what's coming. 

[Stuhoo]

As much as the first four years have not gone well, I believe it is also relevant that there is very, very little hope that year five will go well either.

If we had big time recruits coming to save the day that would be highly relevant. We do not, and our best player is very likely gone too.

If we stay the course for another year it will very much appear that we are waving the white flag in basketball.

In Indiana.

At Indiana University.

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

As much as the first four years have not gone well, I believe it is also relevant that there is very, very little hope that year five will go well either.
If we had big time recruits coming to save the day that would be highly relevant. We do not, and our best player is very likely gone too.
If we stay the course for another year it will very much appear that we are waving the white flag in basketball.
In Indiana.
At Indiana University.
 

Full agree. This has been my stance for a while.

Follow recruiting, and recruiting momentum. It tells the tale within the tale.


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[HoosierHoopster]

Honestly I've struggled with this.

CAM has clearly failed this season (at least at this point and looking most likely to end the season, but it aint' quite over yet).

The recruiting has been strong until this season. Lander was the #1 ranked PG in his class but was also clearly young and not quite ready coming in, especially defensively which kept him off the floor under CAM (he would've played significantly more under Crean). 

In fairness, and without the idea it's making excuses - it really isn't - losing Brunk at the outset was a major, major loss. Brunk isn't the best player on the team, he was playing either single digit minutes for the most part or less minutes as Race's time grew to end the season, but he was and is both a key big with great energy and hustle, and a floor leader - and we've really missed his on court leadership along with his size and hustle. 

So we're short on bigs (pun intendedP). How would we have done this season with Brunk? Think it's clear we would've been better and probably comfortably in the tourney right now. And then we lose Franklin in the closing stretch? Just peachy.

Yes, injuries happen and how the coach and team responds is important, but man we lack some key depth still (which is also on CAM, in fairness), but you can't just ignore the losses of Brunk and now Franklin and think apples to apples. We're really thin right now in the best conference in the country, of course we're to lose. Sucks.

On the other hand, I've had problems / concerns with CAM's way of limiting the perimeter game from the get go, we haven't been able to spread the floor not because we don't have guys who can shoot but because he devalues the outside game in a 'meta' of college basketball that demands the outside game. It's like a throw back approach and one that has bitten us in the @$$ when we lose Brunk, so back to that, CAM put us in the position of likely losing if something were to happen to a key big because he built the team around an old school front line approach without valuing the perimeter game, and that's entirely on him. So end of the day, he has dug his own proverbial grave.

[hper50]

Hate to be a buzzkill, but for a combination of the reasons above and the $$, my gut is we retain Archie for a fifth season. I'm tired of thinking about it at this point. Love the conference tourneys, but just want to fast forward and know one way or the other.

 

Edit: @Chris007 ... please tell me I'm wrong

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

10 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I like Mack a lot.

I like Enfield...plenty enough.

I do not like Scott Drew.

I have trouble spelling “Belien” (?) and he is way too old. 
 

Horton Hears a Stuhoo!

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

15 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Honestly I've struggled with this.

CAM has clearly failed this season (at least at this point and looking most likely to end the season, but it aint' quite over yet).

The recruiting has been strong until this season. Lander was the #1 ranked PG in his class but was also clearly young and not quite ready coming in, especially defensively which kept him off the floor under CAM (he would've played significantly more under Crean). 

In fairness, and without the idea it's making excuses - it really isn't - losing Brunk at the outset was a major, major loss. Brunk isn't the best player on the team, he was playing either single digit minutes for the most part or less minutes as Race's time grew to end the season, but he was and is both a key big with great energy and hustle, and a floor leader - and we've really missed his on court leadership along with his size and hustle. 

So we're short on bigs (pun intendedP). How would we have done this season with Brunk? Think it's clear we would've been better and probably comfortably in the tourney right now. And then we lose Franklin in the closing stretch? Just peachy.

Yes, injuries happen and how the coach and team responds is important, but man we lack some key depth still (which is also on CAM, in fairness), but you can't just ignore the losses of Brunk and now Franklin and think apples to apples. We're really thin right now in the best conference in the country, of course we're to lose. Sucks.

On the other hand, I've had problems / concerns with CAM's way of limiting the perimeter game from the get go, we haven't been able to spread the floor not because we don't have guys who can shoot but because he devalues the outside game in a 'meta' of college basketball that demands the outside game. It's like a throw back approach and one that has bitten us in the @$$ when we lose Brunk, so back to that, CAM put us in the position of likely losing if something were to happen to a key big because he built the team around an old school front line approach without valuing the perimeter game, and that's entirely on him. So end of the day, he has dug his own proverbial grave.

How would we have done with Brunk? The same. Why? He's not that good. Just a body. Statically, he averaged 6.8 points. TJD averaged 13.5 last season. This year TJD is at 19.1 points. So he basically made up for Brunks absence by himself. I'm not sure why we make such a big deal about his absence. If TJD is that good, it shouldn't matter. We never complained about it with Zeller because we knew he'd be playing most of the game anyway. 

[coonhounds]

If chris is getting good information and iu has reached out to coaches wouldn't that be a sign they are moving on or is that a common thing?

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[hper50]

6 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

If chris is getting good information and iu has reached out to coaches wouldn't that be a sign they are moving on or is that a common thing?

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I would think. But maybe we're gauging interest in the event that we get the funding to move on. I would sure hope we would know that by now.... or soon....

[Chris007]

29 minutes ago, hper50 said:

Hate to be a buzzkill, but for a combination of the reasons above and the $$, my gut is we retain Archie for a fifth season. I'm tired of thinking about it at this point. Love the conference tourneys, but just want to fast forward and know one way or the other.

 

Edit: @Chris007 ... please tell me I'm wrong

The money has been raised if we want to move on.

[MikeRoberts]

I didn’t realize until reading the last page that there was any debate about whether it was time to move on or not.

 

I thought that 99% of people agree that it isn’t going well and there is no change or improvement in sight and in fact, we seem to be trending downward.

 

he inherited a fringe ncaa tourney team that he crapped the bed with on several games that made it certain we wouldn’t make the tourney. Flip those few games and we are in - point being, we are in almost the same situation in year 4 that we were in when he arrived and there hasn’t been anything to get excited about in between.

 

this has been THE most boring and frustrating 4 years of Indiana basketball in my lifetime. 
 

[hper50]

I'm sorry but while I agree the effort was better than it's been in the past ... I am just so sick of hearing about "effort" when we've lost 9 in a row and 12 of 13 to our rival. At no point has he said "where we are is unacceptable"

[hper50]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

The money has been raised if we want to move on.

Good to hear... is that a new development this AM?

[Stuhoo]

6 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Horton Hears a Stuhoo!

I am a fan of Coach Chris Mack. With better version line of pack.

Scott Drew you say? Oh no, oh no! Deporting players, away they go!

Maybe we get Andy En. His wife comes too? Oh yay! Oh when?

John Belien is too old for me. He’s soon approaching 93.

What’s that I hear, a tooting Fife? I want him not, not on my life.

There is a man, a perfect match. All for the secret plan I hatch. A mistake on the lake, this plan I bake? This coach would be no rube, no fake. The man who rests at Cleveland State. this coach could be our perfect mate, we must pursue Coach Dennis Gates!

 

[lillurk]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

The money has been raised if we want to move on.

Hard to imagine we wouldn’t, then. We’ve argued for weeks about who to pursue in replacement but if the $ is there that’s the only question.

[hper50]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I am a fan of Coach Chris Mack. With better version line of pack.

Scott Drew you say? Oh no, oh no! Deporting players, away they go!

Well maybe we get Andy En. His wife comes too? Oh yay! Oh when?

John Belien is too old for me. He’s soon approaching 93.

What’s that I hear, a tooting Fife? I want him not, not on my life.

There is a man, a perfectly match. All for the secret plan I hatch. A mistake on the lake, this plan I bake? This coach would be no rube, no fake. The man who rests at Cleveland State. this coach could be our perfect mate, we must pursue Coach Dennis Gates!

 

Now this is the content I'm looking for!

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, hper50 said:

Good to hear... is that a new development this AM?

No I’ve known that since Friday afternoon.

[IU - Kaulie]

55 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

As much as the first four years have not gone well, I believe it is also relevant that there is very, very little hope that year five will go well either.

If we had big time recruits coming to save the day that would be highly relevant. We do not, and our best player is very likely gone too.

If we stay the course for another year it will very much appear that we are waving the white flag in basketball.

In Indiana.

At Indiana University.

 

I might be alone on this and I’m not advocating to keep Miller but assuming we lose TJD and Durham with no other transfers and Brunk comes back with the addition of Stewart we are a slightly better team next year.  Slightly better meaning sneaking into the tournament.  

[MikeRoberts]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I am a fan of Coach Chris Mack. With better version line of pack.

Scott Drew you say? Oh no, oh no! Deporting players, away they go!

Well maybe we get Andy En. His wife comes too? Oh yay! Oh when?

John Belien is too old for me. He’s soon approaching 93.

What’s that I hear, a tooting Fife? I want him not, not on my life.

There is a man, a perfectly match. All for the secret plan I hatch. A mistake on the lake, this plan I bake? This coach would be no rube, no fake. The man who rests at Cleveland State. this coach could be our perfect mate, we must pursue Coach Dennis Gates!

 

Well done. I don’t know if Gates is the perfect fit or not but he seems like a no brainer to talk to.

put feelers out to 20 coaches, narrow down to 5 and dig in deep on everything to avoid hiring someone with major flaws that has proven they cannot and will not change them