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[ap2345]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

Louisville is still on probation for its 2015 escort scandal, which forced the school into vacating 123 wins including the 2013 national championship. The Cardinals self-imposed a one-year postseason ban as a result, along with taking a reduction in scholarships and recruiting restrictions. Because of that, the university finds itself in a tough spot regarding potential punishment, the severity of which will depend on whether the NCAA's Committee on Infractions determines if the Level I violation is found to be aggravated, standard or mitigated. An aggravated violation could include a one- to five-year postseason ban. A standard violation could mean a one or two-year postseason ban.”

I was wondering  if maybe that was the reason he wanted to get out if he could.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

9 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

In his 4th year without a tourney appearance or even a winning conference record.  Some "lack of patience" or whatever other nonsense isn't the problem; do that at puke and you wouldn't get to 4 years.

If we want to get back we have to start having and holding expectations, we have to expect to win and not consider making a 68 team field some sort of accomplishment.

People who praised the hire were calling for his head in year 2 and 3. I don’t like Archie. Hated the hire. Just saying the optics to outsiders don’t look good.

Also I’d bet that IU waits another year for the 50% off sale.

[Baltimore Hoosier]

10 hours ago, DChoosier said:

What’s your definition of “win immediately”. It’s year 4 and we are in 10th place, have not had better than a .500 conference record and this, the 4th year, is his worst conference record yet (albeit.....the BT is brutal this year). We have the same, same, same issues we had 4 years ago and rather than the fan base having “NO patience”, as you wrote, I think there has been a fair amount of patience considering the lack of progress,

To be fair, brutal isn’t the word. It’s the toughest schedule in the history of Indiana Basketball. 

Are there any other ‘blue blood’ programs that have had as many coaching changes as IU? Maybe it’s time to move on, but the optics look horrible. Especially to local recruits.

It’s more feasible that IU waits another year and gets 50% off. Guess we’ll see. 

 

 

[Baltimore Hoosier]

10 hours ago, 8bucks said:

10 hours ago, 8bucks said:

Don’t fall for the “need to win immediately” story. It is the furthest thing from truth otherwise we would have had this discussion in year 1.   

It was happening in year 2 and 3.

[JSHoosier]

36 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

People who praised the hire were calling for his head in year 2 and 3. I don’t like Archie. Hated the hire. Just saying the optics to outsiders don’t look good.

Also I’d bet that IU waits another year for the 50% off sale.

They shouldn't, the list of candidates will be the same.

[Golfman25]

43 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

To be fair, brutal isn’t the word. It’s the toughest schedule in the history of Indiana Basketball. 

Are there any other ‘blue blood’ programs that have had as many coaching changes as IU? Maybe it’s time to move on, but the optics look horrible. Especially to local recruits.

It’s more feasible that IU waits another year and gets 50% off. Guess we’ll see. 

 

 

You know what looks worse?  The TV graphic showing that IU hasn't beaten Purdue since 2016.  

[Baltimore Hoosier]

6 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

You know what looks worse?  The TV graphic showing that IU hasn't beaten Purdue since 2016.  

Yeah that looks pretty bad.. not really playing a ‘what’s worse’ game here. Just offering a different opinion. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

57 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

To be fair, brutal isn’t the word. It’s the toughest schedule in the history of Indiana Basketball. 

Are there any other ‘blue blood’ programs that have had as many coaching changes as IU? Maybe it’s time to move on, but the optics look horrible. Especially to local recruits.

It’s more feasible that IU waits another year and gets 50% off. Guess we’ll see. 

 

 

It's the toughest schedule only relative to this seasons competition. 

[Baltimore Hoosier]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It's the toughest schedule only relative to this seasons competition. 

Correct. I guess I should say toughest SOS in the history of IU basketball. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Just now, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Correct. I guess I should say toughest SOS in the history of IU basketball. 

Which literally means nothing if you lose. 

[Baltimore Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Which literally means nothing if you lose. 

Eh.. It doesn’t ‘literally’ mean nothing. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 minute ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Eh.. It doesn’t ‘literally’ mean nothing. 

No it does. Losers lose. Nebraska, Penn State, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana... Losers. 

 

[Feathery]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

People who praised the hire were calling for his head in year 2 and 3. I don’t like Archie. Hated the hire. Just saying the optics to outsiders don’t look good.

Also I’d bet that IU waits another year for the 50% off sale.

To be fair to those who called for his head after year 2 and 3, they were right in that he isn’t the guy for the job. I will give any coach until year 4. It was clear he isn’t the guy this year but those clamoring for it to happen sooner were just ahead of the curve. 

[DLG3]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2019/03/12/the-most-valuable-college-basketball-teams/amp/

I wanted to share this article I remembered, from about 2 years ago. Maybe someone else has an interest in this as well, but every time I think about IU taking the “cheap” way out, compared to what we could pay a coach, I get annoyed. Maybe this has changed a lot in 2 years, and if so, maybe someone could share an update. My point is that IU is 3rd on this list regarding revenue the men’s bball team brings in. I averaged the salaries of the top 10 coaches on that list and came up with $4.7 million/annually. If you average the top 5? It’s $6.5 million. It just confirms what others have said before- we’re a top-tier program when it comes to $$$, but we don’t actually pay the coach like it. It’s easy for me to say that Dolson should throw top money at someone (like Stevens), but to me, this says it should be feasible. Come on, Scott. Do it for the glory of old IU!


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[Baltimore Hoosier]

4 minutes ago, Feathery said:

To be fair to those who called for his head after year 2 and 3, they were right in that he isn’t the guy for the job. I will give any coach until year 4. It was clear he isn’t the guy this year but those clamoring for it to happen sooner were just ahead of the curve. 

I was vocal about hating this hire so I guess I was ahead of my time. 

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Yeah that looks pretty bad.. not really playing a ‘what’s worse’ game here. Just offering a different opinion. 

Thanks for the different opinion and good to see you posting again.  It’s been a while.  Definitely some bad optics from the outside looking in on the IU program and no matter what happens IU is just in a terrible spot.  No one on the outside is going to feel sorry for them but whichever way they go there will be challenges ahead    
 

2 things came be true at the same time 

1. Archie in 4 years for whatever reason didn’t get things rolling.  Having a losing streak of 4 or more games in each of his 4 years in the B1G is not a good look.  Decline in recruiting, decline in defensive efficiency, lack of shooting in is whole time at IU are all bad looks.  Examples of why a change shouldn’t surprise anyone 

2.  Archie has some some challenges in front of him that have contributed to his lack of success.  Doesn’t excuse all the losing streaks and poor performances but it should be recognized.   As I looked back at the 4 years I’m amazed at the different ways this team has missed the tournament.   

1. they had no shot and didn’t sniff the tournament with no wins against a team that made the tournament that year highlighted by 2 blowout home  losses to ISU and Fort Wayne 

2.  They were in tournament conversation all year.  Had an historic 12 of 13 game losing streak, more injuries then I could count and somehow managed to be one of the first 4 teams out.   Had more Q1 wins then almost every bubble team but had a terrible Q2 record 

3. they were in the tournament picture all year.  Not one time were they ever considered out of the tournament by any of the top bracketologist.  From the games they played at the end of the year even the losses of I remember they were playing some pretty good basketball heading into the tournament.  Then a global pandemic hits and these kids and coach miss out on something  they worked their butt off to achieve 

4. IU was pretty much in the conversation all year until these last 2 weeks and the wheels have completely have fallen off.  Playing a SOS that is top 3 the last I checked during a pandemic where no home fans allowed and only 2 games against teams without a pulse has been a factor this year.  This year their Q1 record is awful but their Q2 record is solid.  Just couldn’t seem to put a complete resume together in a single year.   Very odd to track.  It’s not like IU wasn’t in any of these Q1 games they lost.  They were right there in most of the games until recently 

Whichever way IU goes the optics are going to be bad.   Keep a coach that has under performed in his 4 years or fire a coach with a 10 mil buyout in a global pandemic where he won’t have coached his first true recruiting cycle while they were seniors.   Glad I’m not Dolson 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I'd take Mack or Enfield. Hell I'd take both. Let's just have the best bench in college basketball. 

[Feathery]

49 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Thanks for the different opinion and good to see you posting again.  It’s been a while.  Definitely some bad optics from the outside looking in on the IU program and no matter what happens IU is just in a terrible spot.  No one on the outside is going to feel sorry for them but whichever way they go there will be challenges ahead    
 

2 things came be true at the same time 

1. Archie in 4 years for whatever reason didn’t get things rolling.  Having a losing streak of 4 or more games in each of his 4 years in the B1G is not a good look.  Decline in recruiting, decline in defensive efficiency, lack of shooting in is whole time at IU are all bad looks.  Examples of why a change shouldn’t surprise anyone 

2.  Archie has some some challenges in front of him that have contributed to his lack of success.  Doesn’t excuse all the losing streaks and poor performances but it should be recognized.   As I looked back at the 4 years I’m amazed at the different ways this team has missed the tournament.   

1. they had no shot and didn’t sniff the tournament with no wins against a team that made the tournament that year highlighted by 2 blowout home  losses to ISU and Fort Wayne 

2.  They were in tournament conversation all year.  Had an historic 12 of 13 game losing streak, more injuries then I could count and somehow managed to be one of the first 4 teams out.   Had more Q1 wins then almost every bubble team but had a terrible Q2 record 

3. they were in the tournament picture all year.  Not one time were they ever considered out of the tournament by any of the top bracketologist.  From the games they played at the end of the year even the losses of I remember they were playing some pretty good basketball heading into the tournament.  Then a global pandemic hits and these kids and coach miss out on something  they worked their butt off to achieve 

4. IU was pretty much in the conversation all year until these last 2 weeks and the wheels have completely have fallen off.  Playing a SOS that is top 3 the last I checked during a pandemic where no home fans allowed and only 2 games against teams without a pulse has been a factor this year.  This year their Q1 record is awful but their Q2 record is solid.  Just couldn’t seem to put a complete resume together in a single year.   Very odd to track.  It’s not like IU wasn’t in any of these Q1 games they lost.  They were right there in most of the games until recently 

Whichever way IU goes the optics are going to be bad.   Keep a coach that has under performed in his 4 years or fire a coach with a 10 mil buyout in a global pandemic where he won’t have coached his first true recruiting cycle while they were seniors.   Glad I’m not Dolson 

I don’t think there are bad optics at this point if they decide to move on. Legislators at the state house have jokingly talked about finding it in the budget to buy Archie out. Other schools with much higher buyouts have moved on from coaches in football with little to no scorn for making the move. While money could be tight, this is a long term business move that needs to be done for the financial sustainability of the program. You can’t have the fan base not show back up when fans are allowed or have a toxic environment when those that do arrive. Perfect time for a clean break, if the money is there then use it. 

[lillurk]

The injuries excuse for y2 rings really hollow to me. Look at the box scores from losses at home to Nebraska, at bad NW or Rutgers teams, or the OSU conference tourney loss: IU had everyone (except a freshman Hunter).

[lillurk]

1 minute ago, lillurk said:

The injuries excuse for y2 rings really hollow to me. Look at the box scores from losses at home to Nebraska, at bad NW or Rutgers teams, or the OSU conference tourney loss: IU had everyone (except a freshman Hunter).

I mean I don’t dispute IU had injuries or was dinged up. But everyone deals with those.

I dispute that some dings and a couple injuries to good-but-not-star freshmen excuse THOSE particular losses