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12 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Archie surprisingly was awful at it too. Or at least getting it to work on the court. His early Rhodesia Island struggles kinda mirroring Crean’s career arc.
 

Miller's problem wasn't just getting it to work on the court. He was pretty bad at player evaluations. If you look at the all of players he recruited, even those he didn't land, there were lots of busts so it wasn't just that he didn't coach them well enough.

[HoosierFan1994 4,994]

I feel comfortable with our frontcourt going into next year. Sounds like the staff is really going to push for Ledlum to commit this weekend which is what Chris and Rabby have said. Feels like they are in good shape to land a 5 (Ware/Shedrick/Handlogten). All that's left is a guard/wing. Knecht would be a nice get. I don't know how things stand with Timberlake but he didn't commit to UNC on/after his visit. Just can't stress how important it is for this program to keep going forward and to not take a step back. Can't afford to have a 2013-2014 like season with the '24 and '25 classes coming up. 

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42 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I’ll see your Grant Gelon and raise you a Jeremiah April.

100% true story

I sat next to Jeremiah April and Tim Priller on the first day of Psych 101. We introduced ourselves. 

Jeremiah asked me if I could share my notes with him. Tim told him to take his own. 

I said "You guys are on the basketball team right?" Jeremiah said "Yeah, but if basketball doesn't work out I'm going to move to Colorado and become a Rastafarian." Colorado had just started legal recreational marijuana sales. 

Tim looked mortified, we all awkwardly laughed, and I only sat near them again once all semester. 

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25 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lol. You can imagine my reaction and the debates here re:Gelon. Especially as Sasha outplayed him all season long. The other recruitment that blew my mind was Max Hoetzel/Montana. I’m pretty sure Crean never watched him play a live game. It had become so obvious. I do like Crean even through his oddities. Just more examples of coaches making millions missing talent evaluations.
Archie surprisingly was awful at it too. Or at least getting it to work on the court. His early Rhodesia Island struggles kinda mirroring Crean’s career arc.


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Living around Crown Point, 1000% Stefanovic was better than Gelon in high school.

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26 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I can guarantee you not many on this board thought Gelon was going to be good.   Of course there were some that thought he could in time but most knew it was a reach.   I will never forget watching him at the forum tip-off classic and reporting back here that he had a goose egg and they didn’t even run the last play for him in the game they ran it for a junior kid.  That junior turned out to be Sasha from Purdue.  

They also ran the last play of the sectional final for Stefanovic.  He hit the game winner.

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Living around Crown Point, 1000% Stefanovic was better than Gelon in high school.

And college lol

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1 hour ago, BottomLine said:

The rich get richer and the poorer get poorer.  Such is life.

True, but that wasn't even the aspect I meant. A quarter to a third of players changing teams PER YEAR?! At some point the silliness is gonna matter. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

True, but that wasn't even the aspect I meant. A quarter to a third of players changing teams PER YEAR?! At some point the silliness is gonna matter. 

One has to wonder if and when the Fed Gov't will step in.

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1 minute ago, Rico said:

One has to wonder if and when the Fed Gov't will step in.

I don't doubt it.  Unfortunatley, Congress is the one and only organization certain to do something dumber than the NCAA!

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So many players write LOVE letters to the school where he or she is enrolled….ending the letter with that being said I will continue my career at another school somewhere else.

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1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

BB recruiting is not that different than recruiting in business. People can be a priority until you hear what they want paid, their expectations for 9-5 work etc. Then you go an look for a better option. Doesn’t mean you settle. 

you also don’t put all your eggs in one basket and sometimes someone you would have taken is now off the table because a better option became a reality that you didn’t believe you could get. 

That is an excellent point. All we see are some highlight videos or a few games during the season, but there are more to these kids and other aspects to the relationship. 

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Over and under IU mens basketball 2023-2024……@ 20 wins

Over and under IU women basketball 2023-2024…:.@ 30 wins 

 

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lol. You can imagine my reaction and the debates here re:Gelon. Especially as Sasha outplayed him all season long. The other recruitment that blew my mind was Max Hoetzel/Montana. I’m pretty sure Crean never watched him play a live game. It had become so obvious. I do like Crean even through his oddities. Just more examples of coaches making millions missing talent evaluations.
Archie surprisingly was awful at it too. Or at least getting it to work on the court. His early Rhodesia Island struggles kinda mirroring Crean’s career arc.


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Oddly enough... I actually liked Hoetzel. He definitely would have been better off on the 12 or 13 team or even the 16 team. Him, Hanner and Which Hand? Stan transferred out... Then we win the B1G. But I do think Hoetzel could have thrived more the year after. He was definitely a good shooter. Oddly enough, he was probably a better shooter than anyone SDSU had on the team this year.

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1 hour ago, TeeterInNJ said:

100% true story

I sat next to Jeremiah April and Tim Priller on the first day of Psych 101. We introduced ourselves. 

Jeremiah asked me if I could share my notes with him. Tim told him to take his own. 

I said "You guys are on the basketball team right?" Jeremiah said "Yeah, but if basketball doesn't work out I'm going to move to Colorado and become a Rastafarian." Colorado had just started legal recreational marijuana sales. 

Tim looked mortified, we all awkwardly laughed, and I only sat near them again once all semester. 

Ran into April a handful of times on campus during school hours and…after hours…and he never didn’t smell like he just finished hot boxing. 

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1 hour ago, TeeterInNJ said:

100% true story

I sat next to Jeremiah April and Tim Priller on the first day of Psych 101. We introduced ourselves. 

Jeremiah asked me if I could share my notes with him. Tim told him to take his own. 

I said "You guys are on the basketball team right?" Jeremiah said "Yeah, but if basketball doesn't work out I'm going to move to Colorado and become a Rastafarian." Colorado had just started legal recreational marijuana sales. 

Tim looked mortified, we all awkwardly laughed, and I only sat near them again once all semester. 

I think I'll just excuse myself from the forum until we have a full roster to discuss.

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Not criticism but some things for everyone to keep in mind:

1. Someone posted the #s with walk-ons removed and it was about 20% of scholarship D1 players.

2. Some of those walk-ons will transfer down and get scholarships at lower levels, but the majority may just land…nowhere, at least on a scholarship. For example: I don’t know former IU walk-on Nate Childress but by all accounts he can really play, maybe he gets a master’s paid for and some cash in his pocket. But it’s also possible he just starts a career, or pursues more schooling without any basketball at all.

3. In fact some former scholarship athletes won’t get offers and will end up having made a bad call to leave a scholarship at their former school. That’s a shame. I don’t have the data but I recall there was some analysis last year for FB or BB that indicated a surprising # of players just don’t have a chair when the music stops. (FWIW I think this is probably not a new phenomenon but a new format in which it occurs; some of the Crean recruiting lowlights mentioned in this thread probably experienced a pre-portal version of this.)

4. National college student persistent rate at by institution is ~75%. I can think of reasons the athlete transfer rate would be different in EITHER direction so it’s possible the equilibrium ends up near the standard student rate when the dust settles. (That would INCLUDE students going pro or dropping out in non-persistence.)

All of this is exacerbated by COVID after-effects still for a few reasons:

5. We still have about two more years of student-athletes with extra years for playing during 2020-2021. There’s some roster crunch created by giving everyone an extra year. (IMHO the Pomeroy argument for giving everyone an extra year permanently is a good one, check it out.)

6. As we expected at the time, a couple years of recruiting, evaluating, and developing were impacted by COVID too, and so the school and player hit rate/fit were probably diminished. If so we might logically assume that would lead to marginally more transfers while some of it “shakes out.”

7. Stating the obvious but for revenue sports, the one-time free transfer is very new and so we’re still developing norms. I wouldn’t be shocked if schools, coaches, or even conferences develop reputations, in fact some already have: it’s hard for non-grad transfers to get into Michigan, On3 ran a whole article on how behind PSU was in NIL, Musselman/Arkansas and Underwood/Illinois have taken plenty, etc. This could also lead to fewer transfers in the future as students who want development pick a school/coach/conference that’s strong there, but another set of students go to the highest bidder out of HS, then some of them realize that was not an ideal choice and use the free transfers to land somewhere great at working with trs.

8. Finally, there’s probably an upper limit on the average annual % of players who transfer. The true number will ebb and flow once the extra COVID years evaporate, but if we assume most players now WON’T sit out and will only transfer once unless as grads, and many students will use one (free or grad) but not both. I’d guess we’re actually close to the upper limit now for all the reasons listed above and the % some years hence may be slightly lower many years.

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#1 transfer portal player Kel'el Ware is in Bloomington and will begin his official visit today at noon and it will continue through tomorrow. He will be visiting with Ledlum. Coach Ya leading the charge on this one and has done a "tremendous job" and "Indiana has a legit shot here" per insiders.

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31 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

#1 transfer portal player Kel'el Ware is in Bloomington and will begin his official visit today at noon and it will continue through tomorrow. He will be visiting with Ledlum. Coach Ya leading the charge on this one and has done a "tremendous job" and "Indiana has a legit shot here" per insiders.

I have a really good feeling about Ware...feels like when recruits kind of come out of nowhere that's usually a good sign. 

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34 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

#1 transfer portal player Kel'el Ware is in Bloomington and will begin his official visit today at noon and it will continue through tomorrow. He will be visiting with Ledlum. Coach Ya leading the charge on this one and has done a "tremendous job" and "Indiana has a legit shot here" per insiders.

XJ, Galloway, Ledlum, Reneau, Ware would be an interesting starting lineup.  
 

I don’t think we’d see the style of play many are hoping for. But there’s a decent amount of talent there and quite a bit of size. I might have concerns about our perimeter defense again but I suspect it would be better than last year. 

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6 minutes ago, str8baller said:

XJ, Galloway, Ledlum, Reneau, Ware would be an interesting starting lineup.  
 

I don’t think we’d see the style of play many are hoping for. But there’s a decent amount of talent there and quite a bit of size. I might have concerns about our perimeter defense again but I suspect it would be better than last year. 

Hope they add Knecht or another wing. Curious if they see Ledlum as a 3 or 4. Really would like for Malik to start.