NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

[8bucks 6,615]

I know this is portal talk but player development is key to our roster as well.  I have watched IU since the late 70's and have enjoyed seeing players get better the more they stay.  Not just better because they are older but some players make more noticeable jumps.  Felt Trey's shooting improved a ton for this year and I thought TJD became an incredible 3/4 other than the lack of shooting.  

I can see some athletic potential in guys like Gunn and Banks and hope they make a big jump this summer.  If they do, then they are a bigger add than some of the portal guys but if they just marginally improve or stay the same then we need some instant portal starters.

As I look at the team, I wonder who will be our #1 guy to go to when we need clutch buckets.  If that is going to be Malik or even X both need to improve a lot this offseason.  I see a lot of guys who can be pieces, even starters, of a good team but replacing TJD, JHS as our top players will require special players if we want to continue as a top 20 team.  

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

6 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Elite or not, that's just semantics. I look at XJ and say, which Big Ten point guard on another team would you trade XJ for straight up? I'm not completely up to speed on who all is coming back on the other teams, but I'd guess the list of point guards that you trade XJ for in the conference is pretty small. 

On top of that, we weren't even supposed to really have him back. It's almost like a portal win in and of itself. 

XJ could be the best PG in the Big 1.o and the worst on consecutive plays. When he's at his best I don't think anyone in the conference is better than him. When he's not...

It's definitely a win to have him back but being arguably the best player on the team has a range of possible outcomes.

[Golfman25 5,998]

2 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I know this is portal talk but player development is key to our roster as well.  I have watched IU since the late 70's and have enjoyed seeing players get better the more they stay.  Not just better because they are older but some players make more noticeable jumps.  Felt Trey's shooting improved a ton for this year and I thought TJD became an incredible 3/4 other than the lack of shooting.  

I can see some athletic potential in guys like Gunn and Banks and hope they make a big jump this summer.  If they do, then they are a bigger add than some of the portal guys but if they just marginally improve or stay the same then we need some instant portal starters.

As I look at the team, I wonder who will be our #1 guy to go to when we need clutch buckets.  If that is going to be Malik or even X both need to improve a lot this offseason.  I see a lot of guys who can be pieces, even starters, of a good team but replacing TJD, JHS as our top players will require special players if we want to continue as a top 20 team.  

It’s the moneyball rule.  You’re not going to replace them.  There is no one out there like them. You’re going to recreate them with various pieces.  Woodson is going to earn his check this year, that’s for sure. 

[BGleas 7,941]

6 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Then why all the “woe is us” due to Love?   Dude clearly didn’t fit.  

That's why I said people have different definitions. My definition, and many others, of hit it out of the park is what I said in my post. Finding pieces that fit. Getting at least 2 more guard/wings that fit the culture and are multi-skilled playmakers. Also, landing your main targets and not having to go to option 3, 4, 5, etc., to get players. 

Others think we need too land massive recruits from UNC, Kansas, etc., that are former top 30 recruits with ever portal transfer or else it's a failure.

But, not everyone means that when they say "hit it out of the park". 

[ebridges24 2,449]

11 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Then why all the “woe is us” due to Love?   Dude clearly didn’t fit.  

He doesn't fit until he commits to us, then he's the perfect fit.

[Hoosierfanyuh 2,981]

[Artie86 2,429]

6 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

I know this is portal talk but player development is key to our roster as well.  I have watched IU since the late 70's and have enjoyed seeing players get better the more they stay.  Not just better because they are older but some players make more noticeable jumps.  Felt Trey's shooting improved a ton for this year and I thought TJD became an incredible 3/4 other than the lack of shooting.  

I can see some athletic potential in guys like Gunn and Banks and hope they make a big jump this summer.  If they do, then they are a bigger add than some of the portal guys but if they just marginally improve or stay the same then we need some instant portal starters.

As I look at the team, I wonder who will be our #1 guy to go to when we need clutch buckets.  If that is going to be Malik or even X both need to improve a lot this offseason.  I see a lot of guys who can be pieces, even starters, of a good team but replacing TJD, JHS as our top players will require special players if we want to continue as a top 20 team.  

...just look at the tremendous growth Victor had from his first year to the next. He was an athletic bench player. It's hard to believe that Vic's freshman year, he played in 32 games, only starting in 5. 

[Artie86 2,429]

12 minutes ago, ebridges24 said:

He doesn't fit until he commits to us, then he's the perfect fit.

You couldn't have said that any better! We will turn tail on a potential, sought after recruit/player at the blink of an eye. I look at it like this. You broke up with me, I'm done with you! lol

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

4 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

...just look at the tremendous growth Victor had from his first year to the next. He was an athletic bench player. It's hard to believe that Vic's freshman year, he played in 32 games, only starting in 5. 

When was the last IU player that made anywhere close to the same jump as Vic?

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2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

When was the last IU player that made anywhere close to the same jump as Vic?

I would say that OG was on that path.

[Artie86 2,429]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

When was the last IU player that made anywhere close to the same jump as Vic?

It doesn't matter..... My point was Vic was a raw, under the radar recruit, that Coach Crean found. He saw something that many others didn't. Coach Woodson may or may not have one on his roster now. We will see.

[Artie86 2,429]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

I would say that OG was on that path.

I actually had OG with Vic in my last post, but he rocketed a lot faster that Vic. Man, just imagine if he wouldn't have injured his leg his sophomore year?

[monskisprodigy 2,136]

1 minute ago, Artie86 said:

I actually had OG with Vic in my last post, but he rocketed a lot faster that Vic. Man, just imagine if he wouldn't have injured his leg his sophomore year?

OG is such a good NBA player also...even after his jump and getting drafted, I did not see him being as effective on both the offensive and defensive side as he is. Leading the league in steals and avg. like 17 pts. per game. He just kept developing. 

[Chris007 49,007]

14 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

...just look at the tremendous growth Victor had from his first year to the next. He was an athletic bench player. It's hard to believe that Vic's freshman year, he played in 32 games, only starting in 5. 

His jump was almost all on him too. He was in Cook Hall 24/7 that summer. There weren't any coaches helping him either. I mean they maybe told him what to work on but took that and ran with it

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Still good players entering daily. Very well could be a good thing we don’t have our roster set

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

8 minutes ago, Rico said:

I would say that OG was on that path.

I would agree on OG. There have been several who have steadily developed their game but few who have really made that massive jump. Steady improvement every offseason from the majority of your core group can take you a long way if you start with the right talent.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

9 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

It doesn't matter..... My point was Vic was a raw, under the radar recruit, that Coach Crean found. He saw something that many others didn't. Coach Woodson may or may not have one on his roster now. We will see.

There may or may not be... good to know.

Sure it matters, it's a likelihood and environment scenario. You recruit a certain player with characteristics that improve their chances. You create an environment for development. This was my point about TJD developing differently in a different situation.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

His jump was almost all on him too. He was in Cook Hall 24/7 that summer. There weren't any coaches helping him either. I mean they maybe told him what to work on but took that and ran with it

It seemed like there were many players entering Cook Hall or already in Cook Hall every time I walked by there a few years back. I'm not surprised CTM has that program going in the right direction.

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6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

His jump was almost all on him too. He was in Cook Hall 24/7 that summer. There weren't any coaches helping him either. I mean they maybe told him what to work on but took that and ran with it

I feel like this is the main predictor of improvement. You gotta have guys who live the game. Last offseason we heard a lot about JHS living in the gym and Kopp seems like that guy, is there anyone else who the staff has talked about as a great worker?