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It's worth pointing out that Parker Stewart made over half his threes for the year by December 18th......he had more threes in the first 11 games than he did in the last 23.  The Parker Stewart in conference play was a 35/36/58 shooter.

Another guy that virtually started every game with those numbers. So, our bench is really pitiful or Woodson is the most stubborn coach of all time. Our bench might have been that pitiful.


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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That could be true. Doesn’t make a difference to me. In some ways, it’s worse than not knowing what we need. Miller Kopp unfortunately, seemed to fit our need but never performed to the level we needed, and still started virtually every game of the season.

 

If Dennis is content to be a backup guard, then Stu is right, he’s the bigger, tougher Rob Phinisee. I can live with that. If he is our new answer on the wing, I’ve got huge problems with that. Give Bates and OG those minutes.

 

 

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I'm not sure why the conclusion would be that Dennis would be the 'new answer on the wing'.  

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I'm not sure why the conclusion would be that Dennis would be the 'new answer on the wing'.  

What’s his role? Woody has stated he wants to get more athletic on the wing. Is he X’s backup? JHS. Is he our new shooting guard. Bates would have something to say about that. He’s a back up guard or a wing. If Woody selling him, a guy who starts all his games a role as a back up guard in the recruitment, that might be a tough sell?

 

 

 

 

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Well if Dennis wasn't that good then why is Arkansas, UVA and Texas A&M looking at him.  I don't think they are bringing him in to be the savior of the program.

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Another guy that virtually started every game with those numbers. So, our bench is really pitiful or Woodson is the most stubborn coach of all time. Our bench might have been that pitiful.


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Some of both, although I care more about the minutes a player gets than who starts(although I agree that starting Stewart and Kopp was something I didn't understand....and I would have preferred than they split time and were on the court at different times).  In terms of minutes per game, Galloway basically got the same amount of time as Kopp and Stewart last year.  I would have loved for Bates to have earned more minutes last year, but he shot 26% from the field in conference.  BUT you can see the ability there and I expect him to make a jump next year.  JG I definitely want to see more of but last year came down to whether he could play the three.  

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If the staff can't see that this guy would only compound our serious lack of shooting, then we have big problems.  I couldn't care less how high he can jump, there a more important things in this game, in terms of need he's not a fit, period.  There has to be someone available that's a better shooter than Dexter friggin Dennis.

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4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

What’s his role? Woody has stated he wants to get more athletic on the wing. Is he X’s backup? JHS. Is he our new shooting guard. Bates would have something to say about that. He’s a back up guard or a wing. If Woody selling him, a guy who starts all his games a role as a back up guard in the recruitment, that might be a tough sell?

 

 

 

 

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Well, Parker Stewart and Miller Kopp were our wings last year.  Not exactly harder to get more athletic there.

I wholeheartedly doubt that Dennis is going to Indiana, Arkansas, Virginia, etc. and be a starter or a player with starting minutes.  The fact that he has these teams as the teams he is looking at says to me he is looking to go somewhere to get more of a P5 experience in college.  If he wanted to go somewhere and start and be a focus, he'd look at transferring down instead of up.

Think Michael Durr last year.  Do you think he transferred to IU expecting that he was going to be a guy who had big minutes?  I don't see Dennis as being that different.  If he were to earn that time, fine.  But if he wanted to be a 31 minute guy like he was at Wichita State, he could stay there or move to a low major.

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If the staff can't see that this guy would only compound our serious lack of shooting, then we have big problems.  I couldn't care less how high he can jump, there a more important things in this game, in terms of need he's not a fit, period.  There has to be someone available that's a better shooter than Dexter friggin Dennis.

I think this would be an addition to size and defense to the second unit. An upgrade from rob

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Coach Woodson stated at the end of the season that the team's biggest need is shooting. From a distance it's difficult for fans to understand the interest the coaching staff has placed in some players that statistically don't fit the coach's stated biggest need.

It's also difficult for some fans to trust the staff because the fans have been asked to trust a few staffs in the last 20 years that have proven to be incompetent. 

(Just to clarify, I think we all understand the desire to pursue Reneau and other bigs should TJD leave.) 

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4 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

If the staff can't see that this guy would only compound our serious lack of shooting, then we have big problems.  I couldn't care less how high he can jump, there a more important things in this game, in terms of need he's not a fit, period.  There has to be someone available that's a better shooter than Dexter friggin Dennis.

Could be that they are expecting Bates to be one of those guys.  Could be they feel that Banks can come in right away and contribute.   Maybe they feel Kopp or Leal can be the guy next yea.   While I'm frustrated with our shooting, if you have to look to the portal every year to fix your shooting woes you are fighting a losing battle because every time you don't get one you're screwed.

The other guy that IU is heavily involved in the portal with is Sam McNeil.  He's basically a 41/37/86 shooter. 

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20 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

It's worth pointing out that Parker Stewart made over half his threes for the year by December 18th......he had more threes in the first 11 games than he did in the last 23.  The Parker Stewart in conference play was a 35/36/58 shooter.

Sadly his 36.3% from 3 during conference play was still the best on our team and he made 25.2% of our conference 3s. 

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11 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Could be that they are expecting Bates to be one of those guys.  Could be they feel that Banks can come in right away and contribute.   Maybe they feel Kopp or Leal can be the guy next yea.   While I'm frustrated with our shooting, if you have to look to the portal every year to fix your shooting woes you are fighting a losing battle because every time you don't get one you're screwed.

The other guy that IU is heavily involved in the portal with is Sam McNeil.  He's basically a 41/37/86 shooter. 

You never know how freshman will adjust.  I would expect Kopp to he around his career average, so pretty much last season again.  Leal, I'm not sure he'll get enough minutes to begin with.

I'd prefer we weren't relying on the transfer portal to fill this hole, but that's the position we're in right now.  If we already had shooters than I wouldn't be as against it, but we don't. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Sadly his 36.3% from 3 during conference play was still the best on our team and he made 25.2% of our conference 3s. 

I think you agree, though, that a 36% three point shooter is certainly a player you can replace....especially when they don't do anything else on the court and pass up way too many shots.

Factually, of the ten players who played the most time on the court last year, Parker Stewart's +/- numbers for his time on the court weren't second worst on the team.  Despite the fact that he was our best shooter, we were appreciably worse when he was out there.  The sad truth is that despite how poorly we shot from three, we were better when Stewart was on the bench and was replaced by someone who wasn't a shooter (or didn't knock down shots like you would expect).  

Want a shocking number?  IU was an amazing 11 points per 100 possessions better when NEITHER Stewart or Kopp was on the floor than when they were both on the floor.  We need more than shooting....we need shooters who hit shots AND add something else.

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1 minute ago, JSHoosier said:

You never know how freshman will adjust.  I would expect Kopp to he around his career average, so pretty much last season again.  Leal, I'm not sure he'll get enough minutes to begin with.

I'd prefer we weren't relying on the transfer portal to fill this hole, but that's the position we're in right now.

I'd prefer we weren't relying on the transfer portal as well.  The portal is mostly spackle -- temporary coverage to hide issues.  Ultimately you must improve the players you have.  We certainly need shooting, but I don't know that getting a guy who's a 37% three shooter is better than getting a 30% three point shooter if the only area the 37% shooter is better at is shooting.  

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No. No thank you. We should not volunteer to be his third team in three years. That may not be a problem, but it is a bonafide red flag.

He transferred this year to be closer to home because of family health problems. I don't think this 3rd transfer is like the Coleman-Lands players of the world. Having said that, I'm a no.

 

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I think you agree, though, that a 36% three point shooter is certainly a player you can replace....especially when they don't do anything else on the court and pass up way too many shots.
Factually, of the ten players who played the most time on the court last year, Parker Stewart's +/- numbers for his time on the court weren't second worst on the team.  Despite the fact that he was our best shooter, we were appreciably worse when he was out there.  The sad truth is that despite how poorly we shot from three, we were better when Stewart was on the bench and was replaced by someone who wasn't a shooter (or didn't knock down shots like you would expect).  
Want a shocking number?  IU was an amazing 11 points per 100 possessions better when NEITHER Stewart or Kopp was on the floor than when they were both on the floor.  We need more than shooting....we need shooters who hit shots AND add something else.

Agree with your final point. And again this underscores what the eye test said all year about Kopp and Stewart, yet nothing changed. Woodson biggest flaw of the season, of which their were several. He seemed very set on starters and rotational minutes and substitution patterns. I want my coach to be a read and react guy. Woody can vastly improve in this category.


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7 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

You never know how freshman will adjust.  I would expect Kopp to he around his career average, so pretty much last season again.  Leal, I'm not sure he'll get enough minutes to begin with.

I'd prefer we weren't relying on the transfer portal to fill this hole, but that's the position we're in right now.  If we already had shooters than I wouldn't be as against it, but we don't. 

I would say Kopp's expectations are likely to be what he's been for his career....like a 40/36/85 shooter.  I agree that Leal likely isn't going to see much time.

My expectation is that Bates is going to make a jump;  X will be a credible threat.  Part of the reason that teams back off of him is he is more dangerous driving the ball, and that hasn't changed, so I expect he will continue to get his looks from three.  I also am of the opinion that people are sleeping on JHS's three point shot based on what he has done at Montverdo -- but with the talent he has around him there, he was been basically only been asked to be facilitate and they haven't really worked their offense around getting him many open shots.  I think people forget that before he was at Montverdo, he played his sophomore high school season at Combine Academy and was 29 of 64 from three (45%) there.

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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Agree with your final point. And again this underscores what the eye test said all year about Kopp and Stewart, yet nothing changed. Woodson biggest flaw of the season, of which their were several. He seemed very set on starters and rotational minutes and substitution patterns. I want my coach to be a read and react guy. Woody can vastly improve in this category.


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I agree that he stuck to that lineup too long.  I don't know, but my guess is that in getting Kopp to come to IU and to get Stewart to stay, he 'promised' them that they would be starting.  IMO, that's something you should never do, but I understand why coaches do it. 

The options are:

1.  Make promises, keep your word at what could be a detriment to the team for the season.

2.   Make promises, don't keep your word and that can effect future recruitment as word travels.

3.   Don't make promises, which could keep some recruits away.

It's easy to say just go route 3, but the first year in a program is not only a learning one but one where not getting recruits/transfers in can set the program back for years.  Hopefully we can get to the point where #3 is the only option because we are good enough that the program sells itself.

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5 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I would say Kopp's expectations are likely to be what he's been for his career....like a 40/36/85 shooter.  I agree that Leal likely isn't going to see much time.

My expectation is that Bates is going to make a jump;  X will be a credible threat.  Part of the reason that teams back off of him is he is more dangerous driving the ball, and that hasn't changed, so I expect he will continue to get his looks from three.  I also am of the opinion that people are sleeping on JHS's three point shot based on what he has done at Montverdo -- but with the talent he has around him there, he was been basically only been asked to be facilitate and they haven't really worked their offense around getting him many open shots.  I think people forget that before he was at Montverdo, he played his sophomore high school season at Combine Academy and was 29 of 64 from three (45%) there.

I wouldn't expect a lot out of Johnson's shooting.  Last year was a career high, and he's still only a 35% shooter; nothing to write home about.  At some point they are what they show they are, in cases like Johnson and Kopp that's decent but not particularly good.

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14 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I agree that he stuck to that lineup too long.  I don't know, but my guess is that in getting Kopp to come to IU and to get Stewart to stay, he 'promised' them that they would be starting.  IMO, that's something you should never do, but I understand why coaches do it. 

The options are:

1.  Make promises, keep your word at what could be a detriment to the team for the season.

2.   Make promises, don't keep your word and that can effect future recruitment as word travels.

3.   Don't make promises, which could keep some recruits away.

It's easy to say just go route 3, but the first year in a program is not only a learning one but one where not getting recruits/transfers in can set the program back for years.  Hopefully we can get to the point where #3 is the only option because we are good enough that the program sells itself.

First, those guys aren't the caliber of guy you make that promise too.  They were complementary players who should have provided reliable shooting, but they were never going to be a program changers.

Second, once there was enough evidence that guys weren't holding up their end of the bargain, option 2 all the way.  Future "promises" go like this, "I'll start you as long as you're producing".  If a guy doesn't believe in himself for that to be enough, then move on happily.