Archie. Miller. Fired.

[JSHoosier]

10 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Booing 19-22 yo young men isn't good for them, the school, recruiting or anyone. Just watch the players as they were walking off as AM was being accosted after the Rutgers loss. Who benefits from the looks on their faces? Doesn't matter that it was meant for AM, the players hear it as directed at their performance. Maybe it makes some simpleton alum feel tough and empowered, but it is just a sad look as an adult. Hope we move on from AM, but taking it out on the "product on the floor" is detestable.

IU is hardly the only place where fans boo pathetic performance.  It never should've gotten to this point; IU should've put their big boy pants on and gotten serious long ago.  Indiana should've said "this is unacceptable here" instead of making excuses.  At Duke or UNC or pUKe, which even a Texas writer said is our rightful place, Miller would've already been gone.

It got to this point because Indiana let it.

[Golfman25]

21 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Booing 19-22 yo young men isn't good for them, the school, recruiting or anyone. Just watch the players as they were walking off as AM was being accosted after the Rutgers loss. Who benefits from the looks on their faces? Doesn't matter that it was meant for AM, the players hear it as directed at their performance. Maybe it makes some simpleton alum feel tough and empowered, but it is just a sad look as an adult. Hope we move on from AM, but taking it out on the "product on the floor" is detestable.

Agreed, except the players know.  They are probably booing AM as well.  These kids grew up playing basketball.  They know good vs. bad coaching.  They know how to achieve success.  AM handcuffs them and they don't like it -- no player would.  That's why he can't recruit players and we have open scholarships.  

[Golfman25]

21 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Any of you go to IU in the mid to late 80’s like I did?  I was there for the 87 championship and for the best years of Mallory. Football had AT who should have won the Heisman and Bowls 3 of the years I was there.  I was back on campus for the 1992 final four team. Men’s soccer won a championship in 88 as well. 
 

Such a great time to be a student. Hopefully most of you had a chance to be there for part of that

And Little 5 was still kick a$$.  Fun times indeed.  These current students are missing out on these great life experiences.  Feel bad for them.  

[Hoosierfan2017]

25 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Booing 19-22 yo young men isn't good for them, the school, recruiting or anyone. Just watch the players as they were walking off as AM was being accosted after the Rutgers loss. Who benefits from the looks on their faces? Doesn't matter that it was meant for AM, the players hear it as directed at their performance. Maybe it makes some simpleton alum feel tough and empowered, but it is just a sad look as an adult. Hope we move on from AM, but taking it out on the "product on the floor" is detestable.

Booing the product and the coach is one of the few avenues that fans have to make their voices heard. I don’t think anyone does it to feel ‘tough.’ They do it to show the IU administration that they aren’t ok with the team’s results. Fans can’t force the university to fire a coach, but they can show up and boo to influence the university. They can boo to tell the university that they’re not ok with a 5th straight .500 or worse conference season. They can boo to tell the university that they aren’t ok with a coach going 0-7 against their biggest rival. Should the fans just muzzle themselves and stay silent? Sending emails to the athletic director that he’s never going to read doesn’t send a message. Raining down boos does. 

[mdiu28]

41 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Booing 19-22 yo young men isn't good for them, the school, recruiting or anyone. Just watch the players as they were walking off as AM was being accosted after the Rutgers loss. Who benefits from the looks on their faces? Doesn't matter that it was meant for AM, the players hear it as directed at their performance. Maybe it makes some simpleton alum feel tough and empowered, but it is just a sad look as an adult. Hope we move on from AM, but taking it out on the "product on the floor" is detestable.

Unfortunately it's one of the only ways to get our frustrations across to the administration. Emailing them and writing on message boards will do nothing. The only other way to make our point is to stop coming to games. Then, Dolson's job becomes a topic of conversation. 

You want to get someone off their @$$ and work harder and realize they're in trouble? Embarrass them. We don't have a single shooter. Indiana University doesn't have a shooter. With all the shooters in the State that should never be the case. Either we aren't recruiting them or we aren't developing what we have - that's on Archie and the staff. Time for him to GTFO. 

[Feathery]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Booing the product and the coach is one of the few avenues that fans have to make their voices heard. I don’t think anyone does it to feel ‘tough.’ They do it to show the IU administration that they aren’t ok with the team’s results. Fans can’t force the university to fire a coach, but they can show up and boo to influence the university. They can boo to tell the university that they’re not ok with a 5th straight .500 or worse conference season. They can boo to tell the university that they aren’t ok with a coach going 0-7 against their biggest rival. Should the fans just muzzle themselves and stay silent? Sending emails to the athletic director that he’s never going to read doesn’t send a message. Raining down boos does. 

I’m not a fan of booing myself. I just won’t show up. I haven’t shown up in 5 years. I will continue to not show up until there looks to be tangible change for the better. My wife asks me every year if we want to get tickets and I tell her no. I think more and more people are saying no as seen by so many empty seats seen on tv prior to the pandemic. I remember Assembly Hall being packed. I remember going to watch IU play a ranked Iowa and the arena was only 3/4 full, and that was during the Crean era towards the end. I see people posting pics from the Miller era of fan attendance and it’s been poor. It will only get worse. I know the Big Ten network payout is great, but the lost revenue and fan apathy needs to be addressed. That’s why there needs to be a change. And the change has to be someone with some personality to be vocal and in the media to get butts back in the seats and the product has to be entertaining. Archie ball is boring to me. AND they have to win. It’s not an easy fix which is why IU has to get an established coach and can’t go with a mid-major coach or assistant. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Booing 19-22 yo young men isn't good for them, the school, recruiting or anyone. Just watch the players as they were walking off as AM was being accosted after the Rutgers loss. Who benefits from the looks on their faces? Doesn't matter that it was meant for AM, the players hear it as directed at their performance. Maybe it makes some simpleton alum feel tough and empowered, but it is just a sad look as an adult. Hope we move on from AM, but taking it out on the "product on the floor" is detestable.

This. I don't remember ever booing players or even coaches of sports teams. Ihave booed politicians. ;)
I also don't understand hatred of coaches/players as people based on their coacing/playing. I'm not saying people on this forum are that way, but I have seen it on FB/Twitter and not just with Indiana fans

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[Hoosierfan2017]

13 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I’m not a fan of booing myself. I just won’t show up. I haven’t shown up in 5 years. I will continue to not show up until there looks to be tangible change for the better. My wife asks me every year if we want to get tickets and I tell her no. I think more and more people are saying no as seen by so many empty seats seen on tv prior to the pandemic. I remember Assembly Hall being packed. I remember going to watch IU play a ranked Iowa and the arena was only 3/4 full, and that was during the Crean era towards the end. I see people posting pics from the Miller era of fan attendance and it’s been poor. It will only get worse. I know the Big Ten network payout is great, but the lost revenue and fan apathy needs to be addressed. That’s why there needs to be a change. And the change has to be someone with some personality to be vocal and in the media to get butts back in the seats and the product has to be entertaining. Archie ball is boring to me. AND they have to win. It’s not an easy fix which is why IU has to get an established coach and can’t go with a mid-major coach or assistant. 

I honestly don't think the university cares if fans show up or not as long as IU sells the tickets. Fans weren't showing up before the pandemic but the program was still turning a profit. Unfortunately, booing is the only real way to get your point across. The university doesn't want those images out there.

Booing sucks. I don't feel bad for Archie when he gets booed because he's a grown man. He's getting paid millions of dollars to do a job, and he's failing miserably at it. I do feel bad for the players. They're good kids. They try most of the time, they just aren't very good. I think most of the boos are directed toward Archie, but when you're all on the court together that doesn't really make a difference. 

[HoosierAloha]

45 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

IU is hardly the only place where fans boo pathetic performance.  It never should've gotten to this point; IU should've put their big boy pants on and gotten serious long ago.  Indiana should've said "this is unacceptable here" instead of making excuses.  At Duke or UNC or pUKe, which even a Texas writer said is our rightful place, Miller would've already been gone.

It got to this point because Indiana let it.

The writer might live in Texas but I believe he is an IU alum..

[iu eyedoc]

13 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I honestly don't think the university cares if fans show up or not as long as IU sells the tickets. Fans weren't showing up before the pandemic but the program was still turning a profit. Unfortunately, booing is the only real way to get your point across. The university doesn't want those images out there.

Booing sucks. I don't feel bad for Archie when he gets booed because he's a grown man. He's getting paid millions of dollars to do a job, and he's failing miserably at it. I do feel bad for the players. They're good kids. They try most of the time, they just aren't very good. I think most of the boos are directed toward Archie, but when you're all on the court together that doesn't really make a difference. 

Do you actually think the BOT puts weight into booing fans? They see dollars and cents. Do you believe if donors weren't ready to pony up the $10M buyout they would even be considering firing AM? Booing adversely effects the players and future recruits much more than any coach , AD, or BOT.

They are doing the math of how much those buyout donations will affect donations to other departments vs increased donations from a new coach exciting the boosters offsetting the money lost to a buyout. It's really that simple. In their minds they may even be convinced that they are making the decision largely free of financial incentive, but it is what drives them.

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[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Do you actually think the BOT puts weight into booing fans? They see dollars and cents. Do you believe if donors weren't ready to pony up the $10M buyout they would even be considering firing AM? Booing adversely effects the players and future recruits much more than any coach , AD, or BOT.

They are doing the math of how much those buyout donations will affect donations to other departments vs increased donations from a new coach exciting the boosters offsetting the money lost to a buyout. It's really that simple. In their minds they may even be convinced that they are making the decision largely free of financial incentive, but it is what drives them.

I think that the BOT puts weight into what a fifth Archie Miller season would look like. A fifth Archie Miller season looks like a 3/4 filled Assembly Hall, at best, raining down boos for the entire year. Thursday was the first game we've played in front of our fans all year and they got boo'd off the court. I don't see any way that that doesn't affect the BOT. Now imagine an entire season of that. It would get very ugly. All of our games are on TV. They don't want that broadcast throughout the country every game for an entire season. 

[Stuhoo]

Booing fans affect the bottom line; not in ticket sales but in donor and trustee morale. Big donors and trustees do not want to invest in a place that exudes sadness.

 

[Banksyrules]

Plus no jersey or other merchandise. I ain’t buying ^&$^% from the basketball department.  

[Whoozhers]

So, if fans were wildly applauding and cheering after the 6th straight loss and for a program that’s not been in the NCAA Tournament since 2016 the board of T’s would not be swayed? Huh.
It’s simple. Has the program IMPROVED over the last 4 years? It has unequivocally not.
He’s gotta go and he’s gotta GO NOW!


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[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

So, if fans were wildly applauding and cheering after the 6th straight loss and for a program that’s not been in the NCAA Tournament since 2016 the board of T’s would not be swayed? Huh.
It’s simple. Has the program IMPROVED over the last 4 years? It has unequivocally not.
He’s gotta go and he’s gotta GO NOW!


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What I believe is that if there was apathy after four straight down years with Archie, the board of trustees might be willing to wait one more year.

Because there’s an indication that there’s outrage, they may act right away.

[cthomas]

1 hour ago, 8bucks said:

Any of you go to IU in the mid to late 80’s like I did?  I was there for the 87 championship and for the best years of Mallory. Football had AT who should have won the Heisman and Bowls 3 of the years I was there.  I was back on campus for the 1992 final four team. Men’s soccer won a championship in 88 as well. 
 

Such a great time to be a student. Hopefully most of you had a chance to be there for part of that

The one semester that I spent on campus was the spring of '76 in grad school. Not a bad time either.

[Hoosierfan2017]

11 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

So, if fans were wildly applauding and cheering after the 6th straight loss and for a program that’s not been in the NCAA Tournament since 2016 the board of T’s would not be swayed? Huh.
It’s simple. Has the program IMPROVED over the last 4 years? It has unequivocally not.
He’s gotta go and he’s gotta GO NOW!


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Personally, yes, I do think so. If the BOT could get away with keeping Archie another year and saving a bunch of money without blowback I think they’d do it in a heartbeat. We all know Archie doesn’t deserve a fifth season. He’s been a disaster. But it costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster. I think they’d rather not pay it because I think how much they care about IU basketball is not how much we care about IU basketball. 

[HoosierAloha]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Personally, yes, I do think so. If the BOT could get away with keeping Archie another year and saving a bunch of money without blowback I think they’d do it in a heartbeat. We all know Archie doesn’t deserve a fifth season. He’s been a disaster. But it costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster and I think they’d rather not pay it because I think how much they care about IU basketball is not how much we care about IU basketball. 

I didn't think it would be that much to get rid of him?

[Whoozhers]

It’s probably the same way it was with Crean. It wasn’t a lump paid at once. It’s paid over a few years.
Whatever the cost. It’d be worth it.

*We all wanted it to work with Miller. We all had high hopes. Unfortunately, after 4 years...... we’ve reached a new depth of despair and no return in sight. There absolutely was NO IMPROVEMENT. We just kept digging our hole deeper and deeper.


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[8bucks]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Personally, yes, I do think so. If the BOT could get away with keeping Archie another year and saving a bunch of money without blowback I think they’d do it in a heartbeat. We all know Archie doesn’t deserve a fifth season. He’s been a disaster. But it costs a lot of money to get rid of the disaster. I think they’d rather not pay it because I think how much they care about IU basketball is not how much we care about IU basketball. 

Which unfortunately is why booing is a necessary part of this. Not really my thing but I get it. During the Rutgers game when we were playing well they commented a few times about how the crowd was really helping IU. I think this is the biggest thing. We want so bad to cheer for them and enjoy success with the team but while losing stinks it is worse when you don’t score for 10 minutes and miss like 6 of 8 free throws.