IUBB vs Arkansas 12/29 @ 6 pm BTN

[southernindianahoosier2 949]

10 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I still can't believe we lost this game.

• 11 pt lead in 2nd half
• TJD was a beast
• Home game against unranked SEC team
• No starter above 6'7", only go about 7 or 8 deep
• First year coach whose team is coming off an NIT season

It could be a long year again.  I really, really, hope for this program's sake we can still muster a tournament invite.

Why isn't Arkansas in a 3 year rebuild?

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

Just now, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Why isn't Arkansas in a 3 year rebuild?

Good question. Just wait until Musselman brings in a bunch of transfers. He already has 3 sitting out. Worked pretty damn well at Nevada. 

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4 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Why isn't Arkansas in a 3 year rebuild?

Your not allowed to ask this question. It was the norm 40 years ago. Clearly nothing could have changed. 

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51 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

I still can't believe we lost this game.

• 11 pt lead in 2nd half
• TJD was a beast
• Home game against unranked SEC team
• No starter above 6'7", only go about 7 or 8 deep
• First year coach whose team is coming off an NIT season

It could be a long year again.  I really, really, hope for this program's sake we can still muster a tournament invite.

Seriously tho. Why is Arkansas not in a 3 year rebuild and IU is.Arkansas has a first year coach whose team is coming off an NIT season, No starter above 6'7", and only go about 7 or 8 deep. Archie inherited a decent enough team to make the tournament in Year 1. All he had to do was beat Ft. Wayne (we lost by 20), Indiana State (we lost by 21) and Rutgers (we lost by 7) you win those 3 games and we make the tournament. In year two all he needed to do was to beat Northwestern, and Rutgers and we probably make the tournament. 

 

I get that APR may have hurt our ability to bring in transfers in year one, and maybe compliance. but why is IU desperately trying to figure out which way is up 13 games into the season 3. IMO we still don't have an identity, and the next two years we do not seem to be a final four contender. Like why is it so hard at IU?

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8 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Seriously tho. Why is Arkansas not in a 3 year rebuild and IU is.Arkansas has a first year coach whose team is coming off an NIT season, No starter above 6'7", and only go about 7 or 8 deep. Archie inherited a decent enough team to make the tournament in Year 1. All he had to do was beat Ft. Wayne (we lost by 20), Indiana State (we lost by 21) and Rutgers (we lost by 7) you win those 3 games and we make the tournament. In year two all he needed to do was to beat Northwestern, and Rutgers and we probably make the tournament. 

 

I get that APR may have hurt our ability to bring in transfers in year one, and maybe compliance. but why is IU desperately trying to figure out which way is up 13 games into the season 3. IMO we still don't have an identity, and the next two years we do not seem to be a final four contender. Like why is it so hard at IU?

Indiana accepts it.  Powers that be don't believe in setting expectations and holding people accountable, because they don't care about the results.

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5 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Seriously tho. Why is Arkansas not in a 3 year rebuild and IU is.Arkansas has a first year coach whose team is coming off an NIT season, No starter above 6'7", and only go about 7 or 8 deep. Archie inherited a decent enough team to make the tournament in Year 1. All he had to do was beat Ft. Wayne (we lost by 20), Indiana State (we lost by 21) and Rutgers (we lost by 7) you win those 3 games and we make the tournament. In year two all he needed to do was to beat Northwestern, and Rutgers and we probably make the tournament. 

 

I get that APR may have hurt our ability to bring in transfers in year one, and maybe compliance. but why is IU desperately trying to figure out which way is up 13 games into the season 3. IMO we still don't have an identity, and the next two years we do not seem to be a final four contender. Like why is it so hard at IU?

Plenty of examples out there of coaches being able to turn things around quickly - Beard at Tech, Mike Hopkins at Washington, Hurley at ASU, Will Wade at LSU....the list goes on. 

[AKHoosier 7,259]

18 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

They won’t be able to ignore the fans and boosters for long.

Of course they will.

As long as the fans keep showing up, budget is in the black, ticket sales remain steady, players are eligible and go to class, what do they care?  Why WOULD they care?

This is all too obvious - IU administration DOES NOT CARE about basketball.  Doesn't mean we can't get lucky and land some recruits and have some solid seasons, but we will never be fully committed to winning.  The vision for IU basketball that we message board fans have for the program simply do not match the vision that the IU administration has.

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I long for the days of IU being elite once again. That hope is fading away with each passing day

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38 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

They won’t be able to ignore the fans and boosters for long.

Fans keep buying tickets and showing up.  Unless that changes, the administration won't.

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Seeing as this conversation has evolved well past the discussion of the Arkansas game would someone explain to me what the deal is with the administration? I’ve read of McRobbie taking money from the Big Ten TV revenues for a study hall and “pet projects” here in this forum previously.

I don’t want to break the rules but I just found a IndyStar article from a ways back saying the narrative of McRobbie taking money from the athletic program is more fiction than fact. It references a global studies building and that other large university presidents have done similar things making him little different from his peers.

I can wrap my head around the compliance department hamstringing a coach a bit but I guess I’m a bit naive as to how the President is making our beloved basketball program more difficult. Maybe the answer is obvious but I guess I’m not understanding what McRobbie and co are doing differently even if their focus is more academic than athletic which maybe it should be in their role.

Forgive me if this has been covered previously and mods feel free to move if needed but generally curious. Just still a bit bothered by the way we lost the other night and I got today and tomorrow off so my mind is wandering but I’m just trying to understand why it would so much more difficult to win here than elsewhere.

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2 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

I still can't believe we lost this game.

• 11 pt lead in 2nd half
• TJD was a beast
• Home game against unranked SEC team
• No starter above 6'7", only go about 7 or 8 deep
• First year coach whose team is coming off an NIT season

It could be a long year again.  I really, really, hope for this program's sake we can still muster a tournament invite.

Two straight games of blowing leads to inferior teams. We were lucky to get by ND.

[cthomas 6,534]

6 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

  The vision for IU basketball that we message board fans have for the program simply do not match the vision that the IU administration has.

This in my opinion is the most accurate thing that can be said about the IU basketball program. Probably athletics in general. We argue about coaches and players when the real blame belongs much higher up the food chain. We are on our fourth coach since the Knight years and none of them have been satisfactory. And, honestly, the last six or seven years that Knight coached weren't anything thing to write home about. If we fired CAM, what makes anyone think the current administration would hire someone better. The blame for the product on the floor goes way higher up than our current coach or players. This message board is just an echo chamber of the most passionate basketball fans and I doubt representative of the greater IU community. The best thing that Purdue ever did from an athletics standpoint, love him or hate him, was hire Mitch Daniels. He seems to understand the marketing value of a strong athletic program. Until we do something similar, I don't foresee anything but more of the same.

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Fans keep buying tickets and showing up.  Unless that changes, the administration won't.

Sure seems like attendance is dwindling more and more. I could be very wrong though

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Sure seems like attendance is dwindling more and more. I could be very wrong though

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Actually it’s been pretty decent this year. Arkansas was about 90+% packed. Best Christmas break crowd I have seen in years.


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[southernindianahoosier2 949]

Seeing as this conversation has evolved well past the discussion of the Arkansas game would someone explain to me what the deal is with the administration? I’ve read of McRobbie taking money from the Big Ten TV revenues for a study hall and “pet projects” here in this forum previously.
I don’t want to break the rules but I just found a IndyStar article from a ways back saying the narrative of McRobbie taking money from the athletic program is more fiction than fact. It references a global studies building and that other large university presidents have done similar things making him little different from his peers.
I can wrap my head around the compliance department hamstringing a coach a bit but I guess I’m a bit naive as to how the President is making our beloved basketball program more difficult. Maybe the answer is obvious but I guess I’m not understanding what McRobbie and co are doing differently even if their focus is more academic than athletic which maybe it should be in their role.
Forgive me if this has been covered previously and mods feel free to move if needed but generally curious. Just still a bit bothered by the way we lost the other night and I got today and tomorrow off so my mind is wandering but I’m just trying to understand why it would so much more difficult to win here than elsewhere.

From the Hoosier Hysterics podcast with Brian Snow, he basically says the Athletic administration/ Fred Glass are so unbelievably clueless on what it takes to win at an elite level and how to build a sustainable culture so that you can hire a coach and not be in the rebuilding phase. Says that’s why Holtmann and Mack are successful, because their ADs set up a program to win from day one. And that’s why every time we hire a coach it’s a 3 to 4 year rebuild. From the pod, Indiana would do things to shoot them selves in the foot with buy games, locker rooms, meals, etc. they didn’t even have a practice schedule under crean. It sounds like it’s comical how poor the basketball program was ran both under Crean and Fred Glass.

I’m not necessarily in the boat that McRobbie is the biggest issue. I always thought it was Fred Glass. With his retirement it opens up the door for some real change. Then when McRobbie retires after next year the door is blown open. One theory I have is that Fred Glass retired this year rather than next so that McRobbie could choose his successor, I.e. Dolson so that he could keep everything status quo.


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Dolson May also be the guy that actually does most of the work behind the scenes but does not have an AD that can work the higher ups. I met Dolson a few times and was at IU with him but I have no idea if he will be great or not. I would not assume he would automatically be a Fred clone though.

 

Dolson started under RMK as a manager right? He could know better what is expected than people who have not seen things at the highest level first hand.

 

He also has been involved with fund raising including to some extent with the area my company is involved with. He knows how the IU product has dropped in value relative to other programs.

 

 

 

 

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“One theory I have is that Fred Glass retired this year rather than next so that McRobbie could choose his successor, I.e. Dolson so that he could keep everything status quo. “

I’ve been thinking this too: McRobbie sticking it to us all for the next 20 years even after he is gone. What a miserable hire he has been and to think he can continue to F us even after retirement/death pisses me off


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33 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

 

McRobbie sticking it to us all for the next 20 years even after he is gone.
 

 

 

 

Might as well.  Myles Brand did it.

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Kent Sterling column today makes mention that during Arkansas game, several times plays were called from the bench that weren't run correctly or weren't ran at all. Freelancing or individual wants during portions of that game. Green? Will we see shorter leashes? If that was the case, sure hope so. Of course there will be detractors if that would happen.

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6 hours ago, Iugradman said:

Continued losing will attract a lot of negative media attention which no school wants. Boosters will get pissed. Fans will contact the athletics department and complain just like they did with Crean. Crowds will boo the team.

And yet when the Big Ten/ACC challenge rolls around, ESPN puts IU in almost yearly match ups against Duke or Carolina.  The media attention nationally does not jibe with what fans of the team show.  Right or wrong, IU is still a team that draws good TV numbers.  Give a network executive a choice of airing IU/Michigan State or Purdue/Michigan, they are going to choose IU/Michigan State.  Obviously that can change, but we've been to one fluke final four in the last 28 years and it hasn't.