(2020) PF Matt Cross to Miami

[KzooHoosier82]

42 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

The optics look bad to a bunch of people who don't know anything. I'm not taking a shot at anyone in particular, but nobody on this board really knows how these recruits are performing in terms of rising and falling throughout the year until these lists come out, other than some random anecdotes we hear from the Evan Daniels and Brian Snows of the world. It looked desperate to you and others because you were putting stock into static recruiting rankings. You looked at Morton as top 50 and Cross outside the top 200, but Archie and his staff are obviously constantly evaluating potential players. By the time they offered Cross and Morton committed to Purdue, their evaluations had gone in completely different directions.  

Also, I'm not saying that we should put full faith in recruiting rankings, but Cross is ranked significantly higher than Leal or Galloway. Why would Archie prioritize those guys and then see if he can find a fit for the best player of the 3?

You’re literally making stuff up to fit your narrative. Cross has nothing to do with Archie missing out on Morton nor is Cross ranked significantly higher than Leal. Only one recruiting service has improved their ranking of him and no one can honestly argue they know how/why 247 arrived at that ranking. Galloway’s stock is on the rise and I expect his ranking will improve accordingly. And no, I don’t agree that Cross is better than Leal or Galloway. If your opinion is we need 6’6 power forwards with no outside shot or athleticism for 2020 then by all means go all in for Cross. I’ll keep my expectations firmly planted where they are. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

21 minutes ago, KzooHoosier82 said:

My opinion of Cross was based on his attributes (position, size, athletic ability, outside shot). My only comment on the ranking was the optics of such after having just been rejected by Morton. I couldn’t care less where he’s ranked. We need guards who can shoot and distribute. This guy wont see the floor until his junior year if ever...assuming he even comes to IU. “Rankings aren’t everything” but his recent rise in 247’s rankings were literally your only argument as to why you disagreed with my original post. As it stands he’a in Syracuse, UConn and Boston College’s backyard and doesn’t have an offer from any of em. Boy I sure hope Archie can find a way to out recruit UMass and Penn St. FOH...

Um, okay. None of them have offered him in June before he starts his senior year of high school. We'll see who offers him before he makes his final decision. My guess, he'll be playing high level D1 basketball, even if it's not at IU. I won't be surprised if "idk why Archie would want this kid" turns into "yet another miss by Archie, no momentum" if he goes elsewhere. 

[Hillsdale87]

18 minutes ago, KzooHoosier82 said:

You’re literally making stuff up to fit your narrative. Cross has nothing to do with Archie missing out on Morton nor is Cross ranked significantly higher than Leal. Only one recruiting service has improved their ranking of him and no one can honestly argue they know how/why 247 arrived at that ranking. Galloway’s stock is on the rise and I expect his ranking will improve accordingly. And no, I don’t agree that Cross is better than Leal or Galloway. If your opinion is we need 6’6 power forwards with no outside shot or athleticism for 2020 then by all means go all in for Cross. I’ll keep my expectations firmly planted where they are. 

I could be wrong about IU considering Cross a higher priority than Morton, but I'm going to guess that the rest of the scouting community does too. The fact that Morton was sliding was not a secret as he was struggling in AAU for the second straight year. 

Cross is not a slow footed power forward. He stretches the floor and moves reasonably well. He's also not a bad shooter. His 3 point stats may not be great, but scouts consider him a bad shooter. Poor percentages based on playing on a terrible team make sense. He took more than 2x the number of shots of anybody else on the team, so he doesn't have much help. His free throw shooting is very good. The 247 scouts did not watch spring ball and decide, "well, he's too short for his position, but he also can't shoot or jump, so let's push him way up the rankings". He was elevated for a reason.

Have you seen any of these guys play, outside of a few Youtube highlights? It's entirely possible that Leal and Galloway are better than Cross. I hope they shoot up the recruiting rankings and come to Indiana. But it seems pretty likely that Cross is very good either way.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Nah. You all have access to the Summerball Talent Rating and Observation Metric (the S.T.R.O.M.), which accurately predicted both the rise of Cross and the fall of Morton. 

Agree. It’s pretty easy to predict these if you follow the stats and tweets and Offers/interest.

Most of the players are good enough to have a good highlight video.

Live game action and stats across a range are the best predictors.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

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[tortex28]

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Not a good sign wanting bigger fish than Indiana

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[MoyeNeeded]

39 minutes ago, tortex28 said:

Not a good sign wanting bigger fish than Indiana

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Might not be as bad as some think. Development of chemistry with Terrence Clarke might just benefit us. Clarke has made several visits to Bloomington on his own dime. I believe that there is positive interest there.

[tortex28]

Might not be as bad as some think. Development of chemistry with Terrence Clarke might just benefit us. Clarke has made several visits to Bloomington on his own dime. I believe that there is positive interest there.

Recent Trends are not good though look at Brandon Newman and keion Brooks Jr. We got to do a whole lot of winning before we can land the big fish and compete with the Dukes and Kentucky's of the world. A whole lot of winning.

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[Hoosier Guy]

56 minutes ago, tortex28 said:

Recent Trends are not good though look at Brandon Newman and keion Brooks Jr. We got to do a whole lot of winning before we can land the big fish and compete with the Dukes and Kentucky's of the world. A whole lot of winning.

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You’re not wrong. IU needs to win to compete with the big fish of college basketball

[HoosierHoops1]

11 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

You’re not wrong. IU needs to cheat to compete with the big fish of college basketball in recruiting.

Fixed

[RatpigHoosier]

Recent Trends are not good though look at Brandon Newman and keion Brooks Jr. We got to do a whole lot of winning before we can land the big fish and compete with the Dukes and Kentucky's of the world. A whole lot of winning.

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I get KBJ, but my understanding is that we offered Franklin and Newman and AF bit. Someone with more knowledge of the situation will correct me if I’m wrong but that’s how I remember it.


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[Uspshoosier]

Recent Trends are not good though look at Brandon Newman and keion Brooks Jr. We got to do a whole lot of winning before we can land the big fish and compete with the Dukes and Kentucky's of the world. A whole lot of winning.

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Newman never played one game for a prep school. He went back to Valparaiso before the start of the high school season


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[MoyeNeeded]

On 6/5/2019 at 8:33 PM, Free Jurkin! said:

I could be wrong about IU considering Cross a higher priority than Morton, but I'm going to guess that the rest of the scouting community does too. The fact that Morton was sliding was not a secret as he was struggling in AAU for the second straight year. 

Cross is not a slow footed power forward. He stretches the floor and moves reasonably well. He's also not a bad shooter. His 3 point stats may not be great, but scouts consider him a bad shooter. Poor percentages based on playing on a terrible team make sense. He took more than 2x the number of shots of anybody else on the team, so he doesn't have much help. His free throw shooting is very good. The 247 scouts did not watch spring ball and decide, "well, he's too short for his position, but he also can't shoot or jump, so let's push him way up the rankings". He was elevated for a reason.

Have you seen any of these guys play, outside of a few Youtube highlights? It's entirely possible that Leal and Galloway are better than Cross. I hope they shoot up the recruiting rankings and come to Indiana. But it seems pretty likely that Cross is very good either way.

Haven't been, and still not enamoured with Leal. Galloway yes.

[MoyeNeeded]

4 hours ago, Hoosier Guy said:

You’re not wrong. IU needs to win to compete with the big fish of college basketball

The whole Brooks deal was his father convincing him Cal will get him to show. All about the dinero.

[8bucks]

The whole Brooks deal was his father convincing him Cal will get him to show. All about the dinero.

It could be but I am still convinced we were in a really good spot until we had our terrible mid season losing streak. That opened the door for Cal to come closer.


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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, 8bucks said:

It could be but I am still convinced we were in a really good spot until we had our terrible mid season losing streak. That opened the door for Cal to come closer.


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I think that might have been a bit of it. But let’s be honest. Cal whiffed on like 3 guys had he landed any of them doubtful he would go as hard on Brooks. 

Crean screwing us over by getting his highest ranked recruit ever. 

[Hardwood83]

15 hours ago, MoyeNeeded said:

The whole Brooks deal was his father convincing him Cal will get him to show. All about the dinero.

Wonder how they think that is working out for them now?! By my unofficial count Cal has recruited 37 other wings since Brooks committed.  My response?

 

 

Sure it's petty, but I don't want ANYONE to succeed at Kentucky. Made your slimy choice, now stew in it Keion. 

 

[RatpigHoosier]

Anyone know where I can get a good used flux capacitor? It’s the final piece I need for my time machine. When it’s done and mass produced I know of several people who may want one. I’m thinking Keion would consider investing in one.


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[sweetpain]

https://hoosierstateofmind.com/2019/06/10/indiana-basketball-2020-target-transferring-to-brewster-academy/

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Rivals has Cross at 79 if I recall seeing that correctly. Do the people that didn't like this recruit when he was in the 200s like him better now?

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