2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[CrossboneIU22]

I could be wrong but I am taking the "and the players were told" means that the players who have decided to transfer, have told all the other players that they have decided to leave.  

[Aaron]

The one thing I will say that hopefully holds true for men as well, is Woman's team had a horrible first season under Teri Moren and many players left including Laren Brooks their best player and people wondered if she was right for the job and what was going on.

Once she got the problem players away and her system installed the following year with a limited roster she surprised everyone and went to NCAA tourney. Since then she has made NCAA or NIT every year and won over 20 games each season which is better than anyone has every done with Women's team. Even this year after losing Buss and Cahill the best players in program history she still made tourney with several really good transfers so that may parallel as well. 

Obviously Archie will need to be even better than Moren for people to be happy but hopefully a similar scenario occurs with even more success.    

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Whatevs. Buncha guys who aren’t as good as they think they are.

Question is why?

Recruiting?
Buying in?
Development?
System?

Archie has so much to prove.

And then who is going to replace these guys? When will they be good?


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[Hoosierfan2017]

11 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm curious as to what you mean by this? ... Not doubting you at all, I'm just wondering what "the players have been told" means? ... I thought with Fred's "Bill of Rights," once an athlete was on scholarship, as long as he or she remained in good academic standing, etc., the scholarship  was guaranteed for four years -- and he or she couldn't be forced to leave? ... Or is it a matter of Archie and the staff just saying, "Look, you don't fit into what we're trying to do. You can stay, but it's likely you won't see a minute of playing time the rest of your career." And that fella figures he'd rather play than ride the pine, so he decides to transfer? 

A coach can kick them off the team but they can stay as students and have their school paid for if they want. The bill of rights protects their education but doesn't guarantee a spot on the team. 

[Chris007]

47 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm curious as to what you mean by this? ... Not doubting you at all, I'm just wondering what "the players have been told" means? ... I thought with Fred's "Bill of Rights," once an athlete was on scholarship, as long as he or she remained in good academic standing, etc., the scholarship  was guaranteed for four years -- and he or she couldn't be forced to leave? ... Or is it a matter of Archie and the staff just saying, "Look, you don't fit into what we're trying to do. You can stay, but it's likely you won't see a minute of playing time the rest of your career." And that fella figures he'd rather play than ride the pine, so he decides to transfer? 

Archie can tell those players they are no longer on the basketball team and they will keep their scholarship but not count against the 13. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Losing that many players at one time is unsettling to say the least but if some of them felt like they should have been playing 20+ minutes/game and couldn't see their own limitations/deficiencies in practice then what was going to motivate them to improve?  This is wild speculation on my part but I think the decisions on Archie's part were made in the middle of the losing streak and he started putting out feelers (however you do it within full NCAA compliance) at that time.  I'm hopeful we get a firm commit from Brunk (2 yr. eligibility) and then I expect to land another grad transfer (1 yr. eligibility) and at least 1 more freshman or sophomore transfer who will have to lay out a year.  Add in Beverly or Quinones plus one more true freshman.  I didn't keep track so I probably have us oversold on schollies.   lol

[LamarCheeks]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Archie can tell those players they are no longer on the basketball team and they will keep their scholarship but not count against the 13. 

OK ... Gotcha ... Wasn't sure how that worked ... Thanks. 

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Losing that many players at one time is unsettling to say the least but if some of them felt like they should have been playing 20+ minutes/game and couldn't see their own limitations/deficiencies in practice then what was going to motivate them to improve?  This is wild speculation on my part but I think the decisions on Archie's part were made in the middle of the losing streak and he started putting out feelers (however you do it within full NCAA compliance) at that time.  I'm hopeful we get a firm commit from Brunk (2 yr. eligibility) and then I expect to land another grad transfer (1 yr. eligibility) and at least 1 more freshman or sophomore transfer who will have to lay out a year.  Add in Beverly or Quinones plus one more true freshman.  I didn't keep track so I probably have us oversold on schollies.   lol

Remember I said I was told this was going to happen but not from anyone on staff, only from a former player. Not even a former player I talk to often so don't know if it's true or not, just sharing the info. 

[Redandyz]

I know I shouldn't be in this day and age, but I am surprised at how quick some of these players are to leave a program like IU just for the sake of more playing time, etc.  In the past, transfers happened because of personal conflicts with coaches, when it's needed for player and coach to move on.  Rick Calloway, Luke Recker, and Jason Collier come to mind under Coach Knight. Now, players that are getting a free, high quality education from one of the best schools in the country want to transfer to chase their dreams of a basketball career in the NBA.  I partly blame coaches, but I really blame parents and "handlers" of these kids. They fill their heads with an unrealistic future where the NBA awaits them when the reality is that less than 2% of NCAA players make it to the NBA.  No one wants to be a role player or work their way onto the floor by out hustling, out working their teammates for a spot to prove themselves.   They would rather transfer to another school, sit a year in most cases, and then vie for a shot at a lower level school where they may not have to work quite as hard to get seen.  There are THOUSANDS of high school kids in Indiana who would KILL for just a shot to be on the bench and shot to try to prove themselves!  Seriously - Who in the world is telling Clifton Moore and Jake Forrester that they have a better shot elsewhere???  Insanity!!!   Best case scenario, Clifton and Jake go to a mid to lower tier Big East, AAC, or C-USA team.  Sit a year, and then gets 15-20 minutes a game, averaging less than 10 points per game.  Is that really worth transferring for?  It's not going to make a lick of difference in their basketball future.  These kids get so wrapped up in their own hype and what people around him are telling him to do that the lose sight of reality - that not all players, even those who work hard and have talent, see the floor.         

[Feathery]

2 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm curious as to what you mean by this? ... Not doubting you at all, I'm just wondering what "the players have been told" means? ... I thought with Fred's "Bill of Rights," once an athlete was on scholarship, as long as he or she remained in good academic standing, etc., the scholarship  was guaranteed for four years -- and he or she couldn't be forced to leave? ... Or is it a matter of Archie and the staff just saying, "Look, you don't fit into what we're trying to do. You can stay, but it's likely you won't see a minute of playing time the rest of your career." And that fella figures he'd rather play than ride the pine, so he decides to transfer? 

This is a misconception. The Student athlete bill of rights guarantees their school is paid for. It doesn’t mean they have a spot on the team. The staff can kick them off the team. That player can stay at IU, get a free degree, but he does not count as a basketball scholarship player. So the team gets another scholarship to give out to a recruit. 

[IUc2016]

This is a misconception. The Student athlete bill of rights guarantees their school is paid for. It doesn’t mean they have a spot on the team. The staff can kick them off the team. That player can stay at IU, get a free degree, but he does not count as a basketball scholarship player. So the team gets another scholarship to give out to a recruit. 

Yes. I am so glad this is catching on. The bill of rights is not a bad thing, people, including the media, just have misrepresented it on numerous occasions and haven’t actually read it.

Regardless of your feelings with the administration, the bill of rights does not hinder Archie.


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[IUrocker]

So is it too late in the day now for any news on more transfers I’m guessing? I know Chris007 said he heard either today or the weekend, but maybe today won’t be it. 

[RaceToTheTop]

I think we all assume Damezi will probably transfer.  My fear is the second could be DeVonte.  No information, just a gut.

[SlamaJamaSisley]

13 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I think we all assume Damezi will probably transfer.  My fear is the second could be DeVonte.  No information, just a gut.

Devonte is getting his shots up!

 

[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, InArchWeTrust said:

Devonte is getting his shots up!

 

Friday evening practicing. That’s what we need. 

[RaceToTheTop]

I hope I am 100% wrong because I do believe in DeVonte Green’s game.  Sure he’ll take some shots he shouldn’t, but a team lacking in alphas needs a couple of guys like that.

[HoosierFan1994]

57 minutes ago, InArchWeTrust said:

Devonte is getting his shots up!

 

Awesome! I've said it many times but this team needs the same dedication Hulls, Oladipo, and Sheehey had in 2011. They were sick and tired of losing. 

[HoosierFan1994]

Also read a really good article about Brunk. Man would he be an awesome fit at IU. Hope Archie can get him!

[Choopy]

Devonte is not transferring


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[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

Also read a really good article about Brunk. Man would he be an awesome fit at IU. Hope Archie can get him!

A new article?  Could you share the link?