2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[ap2345]

For what it’s worth there are plenty of rumors that Brunk is coming to IU and going to law school. I know that sounds strange and would be very difficult for an athlete but this has been stated by multiple people on a butler message board. They said Brunk to IU is a done deal.


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[Bailey7878]

If Clifton transfers - it is hard to blame him. He needs to go somewhere he can get minutes to fulfill his potential. No inside information but I put the chances of him transferring over 80%. Romeo will go pro - so we have two spots.I hope Forrester and Race stay.

I could see anderson leaving as well. If not he should probably redshirt.

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[8bucks]

Yeah, I mean Smith could get in the gym and get shots up and work on his ball handling skills. There are plenty of team managers who are with the program to rebound for players at all hours of the day. I’d hope if Smith wanted to be a wing he’d be busting his @$$ to prove that he was worthy of getting minutes there. I know nothing was ever given to me and when someone said I couldn’t that was just all the more ammo for me to prove them wrong. I guess he could just vent to the media about how he was wronged though.

Give me the kid that’s willing to prove it over talking about it. We need DAWGS.


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This is true. I had a chance to get a tour of the weight room, new locker room etc a few weeks back and our guide made the comment that back in Knights day the team had to share gym time with several other teams. He showed us how a kid today has a card and can scan in and come in and work whenever they wanted.

Someone quicker than I quipped “then why can these kids shoot better than kids on those teams”. Certainly a true statement but also true is that when a coach wants you to play a position he also wants you to play that position a certain way.

Don’t get me wrong, as a fan I want kids like AJ Moye who Knight recruited as a guard but who had to play the 4 and 5 positions for Davis. AJ did not sulk but instead he gave it his all and we all remember that Boozer block.

But as a parent, if I have seen how Morgan had to play out of position the last 2 years even as one of our best players I can understand some skepticism regarding where my son would play. I have had several kids play sports and am more inclined to have them follow the route you did but that does not mean that I don’t understand parents that see things differently.




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[Hoosierfan2017]

17 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

For what it’s worth there are plenty of rumors that Brunk is coming to IU and going to law school. I know that sounds strange and would be very difficult for an athlete but this has been stated by multiple people on a butler message board. They said Brunk to IU is a done deal.


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As someone in law school right now, I have no idea how anyone could do it while playing division 1 basketball.

[mdn82]

As someone in law school right now, I have no idea how anyone could do it while playing division 1 basketball.

Yeah that seems like an inhuman form of punishment.


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[Beachfront Property]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

As someone in law school right now, I have no idea how anyone could do it while playing division 1 basketball.

Yes - this invalidates the rumor. If you’re Kareem Abdul Jabber - Archie might sign off on you going to law school. A backup center? Nope.

[Hovadipo]

31 minutes ago, Beachfront Property said:

Yes - this invalidates the rumor. If you’re Kareem Abdul Jabber - Archie might sign off on you going to law school. A backup center? Nope.

This is my new favorite autocorrect. 

[RaceToTheTop]

Brunk to IU ir Ohio State both make sense.

[Chris007]

12 hours ago, Beachfront Property said:

Yes - this invalidates the rumor. If you’re Kareem Abdul Jabber - Archie might sign off on you going to law school. A backup center? Nope.

Does this mean we can still get Kareem Abdul Jabbar? I believe he has eligibility left but none for Lew Alcindor 

[LamarCheeks]

46 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Does this mean we can still get Kareem Abdul Jabbar? I believe he has eligibility left but none for Lew Alcindor 

We would need to resurrect Sam Gilbert to make this happen. 

[Honkyman]

Which rumor are we invalidating? That Brunk is going to law school while he plays for IU or that Brunk is even considering IU?

[Chris007]

13 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Which rumor are we invalidating? That Brunk is going to law school while he plays for IU or that Brunk is even considering IU?

I think people were saying that it's really hard to be in law school while also playing CBB. I believe he comes to IU but not 100% on that yet

[Bailey7878]

I think people were saying that it's really hard to be in law school while also playing CBB. I believe he comes to IU but not 100% on that yet

So an iu wind direction crystal ball?

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[Honkyman]

I knew about the law school part although (as a law school graduate) I don't think it would be too hard to do both. Lots of people have worked their way through law school taking more than the usual three years. Does anyone know why he is leaving Butler?

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

So an iu wind direction crystal ball?

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Yes I was told as early as December that he would be a grad transfer here. But also knowing that OSU is now involved we will have to wait to see what happens. But this wasn't the first time he has made it known about transferring to IU.

[Bailey7878]

Yes I was told as early as December that he would be a grad transfer here. But also knowing that OSU is now involved we will have to wait to see what happens. But this wasn't the first time he has made it known about transferring to IU.

Good we are desperate for some good news after brooks

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[Stromboli]

I'm just going to chime in on Joey Brunk.  I feel like I'm in the minority in that I prefer we bolster the 5 before we target a shooter.  The first reason for this is that I think the high volume of poor shooting is leaving this year.  I made this point elsewhere, but it was the Morgan/Langford/McRoberts/Fitzner that really killed our 3pt shooting percentages.  Those guys took a ton of our attempts, and each of the 4 was under our average.  Which means this will literally be addition by subtraction as to the 3pt shooting (maybe not as to the overall efficacy of our offense).  Take those 4 guys out, and our 3pt percentage would at least put us at average, ideally opening the lane up for our offense to run better.  I might be wrong, but the 3pt shooting still feels like something that will get better.

 

Next, Juwan had to play most of our minutes at the 5 this year.  He was out of position, and still handled most of those minutes.  Trayce will not be a better post defender than Juwan next year.  No one else is coming in.  No one else showed me they are ready to defend opposing 5s.  And shoot, De'Ron is decently effective there, but he might be injury prone, and is usually foul-prone.  Simply put, I do not feel comfortable going into next year with no one else coming in to help us guard the 5.  I think we need two legitimate 5s on the roster.  Playing a 6'8" center just doesn't cut it.  

 

Now let's look at the actual player, and the effect he can have on our offense.  I spend a lot of time looking at the barttorvik.com PORAPGATU! stat.  That is, Points Over Replacement Per Adjusted Game At That Usage.  It's an attempt to gauge an individual player's value over other players.  For the full explanation, go here:  https://www.bigtengeeks.com/new-stat-porpagatu/  The short story here is that after Romeo and Juwan, Indiana's roster was not good.  Many subpar players soaking up minutes, if what we want is success in the B1G and tourney.  Here's just a quick look.  Look at the PRPG! stat, 3rd column after names.  Notice that the good teams are 4-6 players deep with good players:

Duke

 

Virginia

 

 

MSU

 

 

 

Michigan

 

 

Purdue (this one was eye-opening)

 

 

Even Iowa

 

 

 

 

Now here we are.  We have Romeo and Juwan, very good (although not elite).  And then we have bench players when comparing to teams above.  

 

 

 

 

 

And so people say they think a shooter will fix things or whatever, but to me we just need elevated play 1-5.  For what it's worth, I wonder what, schematically, Archie could do (or do better) to put guys in a better position to succeed.  That's not what I'm going after here, and I'm trying to avoid it.  

 

Evan Fitzner was supposed to come in and bring a threat.  Last year at St. Mary's his PRPG! was just a 1.1.  He was not an impact player or transfer.  He was down to 0.8 this year, for some reason unable to maintain his 40% 3pt shooting.  We all saw the open looks that didn't go down, so I don't blame that on Archie.  

 

De'Ron, as much as we love him, is still just a 1.3 PRPG!.  Joey Brunk this year at Butler was a 2.5 PRPG!.  Not a star, but that's at least the level of play that can keep up with other rosters' role players.  If he were to come, that would be higher than anyone we have returning.  He buys us two years of very good depth at a position that is difficult to fill.  

 

I think he'd be a huge get.  

[SlamaJamaSisley]

48 minutes ago, Stromboli said:

He buys us two years of very good depth at a position that is difficult to fill.  

Great analysis and thanks!  Above all though, the 2 yr deal is what is the game changer IMO.  Bring him on!

[HoosierDYT]

OSU’s Jaedon LeDee is transferring...clearing up space for Brunk?


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[mdn82]

I'm just going to chime in on Joey Brunk.  I feel like I'm in the minority in that I prefer we bolster the 5 before we target a shooter.  The first reason for this is that I think the high volume of poor shooting is leaving this year.  I made this point elsewhere, but it was the Morgan/Langford/McRoberts/Fitzner that really killed our 3pt shooting percentages.  Those guys took a ton of our attempts, and each of the 4 was under our average.  Which means this will literally be addition by subtraction as to the 3pt shooting (maybe not as to the overall efficacy of our offense).  Take those 4 guys out, and our 3pt percentage would at least put us at average, ideally opening the lane up for our offense to run better.  I might be wrong, but the 3pt shooting still feels like something that will get better.
 
Next, Juwan had to play most of our minutes at the 5 this year.  He was out of position, and still handled most of those minutes.  Trayce will not be a better post defender than Juwan next year.  No one else is coming in.  No one else showed me they are ready to defend opposing 5s.  And shoot, De'Ron is decently effective there, but he might be injury prone, and is usually foul-prone.  Simply put, I do not feel comfortable going into next year with no one else coming in to help us guard the 5.  I think we need two legitimate 5s on the roster.  Playing a 6'8" center just doesn't cut it.  
 
Now let's look at the actual player, and the effect he can have on our offense.  I spend a lot of time looking at the barttorvik.com PORAPGATU! stat.  That is, Points Over Replacement Per Adjusted Game At That Usage.  It's an attempt to gauge an individual player's value over other players.  For the full explanation, go here:  https://www.bigtengeeks.com/new-stat-porpagatu/  The short story here is that after Romeo and Juwan, Indiana's roster was not good.  Many subpar players soaking up minutes, if what we want is success in the B1G and tourney.  Here's just a quick look.  Look at the PRPG! stat, 3rd column after names.  Notice that the good teams are 4-6 players deep with good players:
Duke

 
Virginia
 

 
MSU
 

 
 
Michigan
 

 
Purdue (this one was eye-opening)
 

 
Even Iowa
 
 

 
 
Now here we are.  We have Romeo and Juwan, very good (although not elite).  And then we have bench players when comparing to teams above.  
 
 
 

 
 
And so people say they think a shooter will fix things or whatever, but to me we just need elevated play 1-5.  For what it's worth, I wonder what, schematically, Archie could do (or do better) to put guys in a better position to succeed.  That's not what I'm going after here, and I'm trying to avoid it.  
 
Evan Fitzner was supposed to come in and bring a threat.  Last year at St. Mary's his PRPG! was just a 1.1.  He was not an impact player or transfer.  He was down to 0.8 this year, for some reason unable to maintain his 40% 3pt shooting.  We all saw the open looks that didn't go down, so I don't blame that on Archie.  
 
De'Ron, as much as we love him, is still just a 1.3 PRPG!.  Joey Brunk this year at Butler was a 2.5 PRPG!.  Not a star, but that's at least the level of play that can keep up with other rosters' role players.  If he were to come, that would be higher than anyone we have returning.  He buys us two years of very good depth at a position that is difficult to fill.  
 
I think he'd be a huge get.  

Dude that was the most well thought out post in a while. You will probably start to get a lot of eye test rebuttals but this was very informative imo.


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